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Cows getting bigger 28th Sep 2017 07:49

Can someone please enlighten me as to how Ryanair's Ts&Cs differ from other LoCos such as Whizz or Easyjet? I'm not picking a fight, I just think it worthwhile highlighting the different ways airlines treat their staff.

McBruce 28th Sep 2017 09:06

With RYR being PR kings. The 100 CPTs and 160 FOs leaving RYR employed are probably correct. Then about 300 self employed pilots....

TheMightyAtom 28th Sep 2017 09:30

IALPA are claiming more than 700 total. This seems fair more accurate from even a brief headcount in any one base.

ericsson16 28th Sep 2017 09:52

Ryanair Slots Question
 
So FR Fly three times a day GLA to STN,can someone else step in and use these slots ie easyjet or are these FR slots to use only?

Gulf Julliet Papa 28th Sep 2017 10:14

Correct me if I'm wrong but neither GLA or STN have a slot system.

wotan 28th Sep 2017 11:25


Originally Posted by TheMightyAtom (Post 9906644)
IALPA are claiming more than 700 total. This seems fair more accurate from even a brief headcount in any one base.

They didn’t claim anything they published figure given to the SEC in the states by Ryanair themselves

oversteer 28th Sep 2017 11:32


Originally Posted by TheMightyAtom (Post 9906540)
I wish it were that easy to be sacked and cash in, but the company line has always been "if you want to waste your money on a union feel free, but we will never recognise them and if legally obliged to talk to them, we will simply twiddle our thumbs and not listen"

Which might work until a significant number of union members back industrial action and strike, leaving a huge shortfall of pilots which MOL couldn’t hope to cover in the short term, no? The CAA and media getting heavy at the same time might force him to revisit that attitude.

English law (not sure on Irish law) protects you from being dismissed on a properly balloted strike

Asrian 28th Sep 2017 11:34

German news tv-channel n-tv just (1pm GMT+1) reported the last round of flight cancellations. Among them the route Köln-Berlin (Schönefeld) will be cancelled. Which according to n-tv is one of the main used and very popular routes in Germany so that raised some eyebrows!
N-TV also clearly stated that the flight cancellations are caused by a lack of pilots and that pilots at RYR are dissatisfied with their working conditions.
They also quoted a source about a rumor that claims that RYR cancelled Köln-Berlin Schönefeld because they aim for Berlin Tegel and want to change their destination from Berlin Schönefeld to Tegel.

The lack of pilots at RYR due to working conditions are reported in different german news media now because some started to investigate the reasons for the flight cancellations.

aox 28th Sep 2017 12:17

CAA definitely getting stroppy

Ryanair law breach leaves UK regulator CAA 'furious' - BBC News

This was quite early on the BBC TV lunchtime news. I switched on at 1305 in the middle of the item, so missed a bit (edit: headine repeat at 1320 - Ryanair has been threatened with legal action, for failing to inform customers of their rights); @1333 for persistently misleading customers about their rights). Then Simon Gompertz encouraging people to find out things, and not necessarily be fobbed off with a simple refund if the airline is obliged to rebook people on another carrier.

MaverickPrime 28th Sep 2017 12:38

IMO the pilot issue won't disappear, industrial action or no industrial action, recession or no recession.

However, the way I see it, Ryanair management is having to fight on too many fronts right now. They have the customers, regulator, pilots and even the investors to appease. They are distracted by their own admission; they will shelve their Alitalia and Air Berlin aspirations.

The management are on the back foot, so yes, now is a great opportunity for the pilots to seek improvements to T&Cs. I'm sure there is plenty of chatter behind the scenes.

scifi 28th Sep 2017 13:08

After 31 pages of this fiasco on PPrune, I find it amazing that nobody has yet suggested that managerial heads should roll, over this situation that was created by them in the first place.

Maybe it is just a marketing ploy... ' Even bad publicity is still good publicity', and if you are in the know, maybe a good time to sell shares, then buy them back when the market falls.

Market trends can be predictable when you know what to look for.. Before the Channel Tunnel was built, C.T. shares would double in price every time Margaret Thatcher went to talk to the French President, and she went about 3 times in the three years before the construction began...

vikingivesterled 28th Sep 2017 13:23


Originally Posted by scifi (Post 9906852)
I find it amazing that nobody has yet suggested that managerial heads should roll, over this situation that was created by them in the first place.

Moving functions to other chiefs is the Ryanair quick way of rolling heads at the top. At the moment they need more bosses to handle events, not less. Changes will happen on the quiet much later.

TheMightyAtom 28th Sep 2017 13:47

Heads have begun rolling today, Mick Hickey and John Clear

Airone2977 28th Sep 2017 14:01

FFS !
https://www.irishtimes.com/news/irel...lled-1.3236895
462 more flights cancelled, what the http://cdn.pprune.org/images/smilies/censored.gif is going on ?

Smooth Airperator 28th Sep 2017 14:04

Good lord the company is getting a hammering on Facebook.

Hopefully the not so smug :mad: will now realise there's a limit to how much you can cheapen this industry (and use employees to subsidise the cost of travel for the flying public). He and his lackeys have done it to the point of unsustainability by offering cheap flights that simply cannot be flown at cheap cost! Other airline management: Kindly take note!

The AvgasDinosaur 28th Sep 2017 14:06

I see the CAA are making loud noises about RYR and its (non) handling of cancelled flight compensation!
What happened to the investigation of multiple wx minima busts at Stansted a while back ?
Am I right in thinking RYR has flown into a perfect storm
I) changes to leave year
II) Massive hemorrhaging of crew
III) Closer authority scrutiny of paper rotas against reality, implied dependence on discretionary time, delays with baggage, taxi times, weather etc.
RYR spin machine is concentrating on I) to deflect public and press scrutiny from the other two?
Your time and trouble appreciated.

Airone2977 28th Sep 2017 14:14

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TheMightyAtom 28th Sep 2017 14:20

Hahahahaha. You mean they joined many months ago but were delayed throughout the type rating because Ryanair didn't care. Now they pulled their finger out and got the management pilots out of their offices to train them themselves for some PR!

They're perfectly happy to delay a new guy on zero pay, even when he complains he is under extreme financial pressure and cant afford accomadation. But the moment a media opportunity arises it all systems are go...

Level100 28th Sep 2017 14:21

I am very happy that CAA is making is (finally) very clear to RYR that they need to meet their obligations with regards to their paying pax as (almost) all the other airlines do.
The "business-model" of RYR thus seem to come to its term.

ROKVIATOR 28th Sep 2017 14:25

Is this the new " I have enough pilots"?


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