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A bit off advice.

For quite a few years Ryanair was about the only way to a jet job, especially for those who followed the modular route. Consequently, they were able to set T&Cs which are, to be benevolent, reminiscent of the dark ages.

Market forces have indeed changed and many/most short haul operators are recruiting. Don't get focussed on Ryanair just because the likelihood of an offer is high; if you're half decent and motivated you've got a good chance with many of the other operators. Most of these companies recognise that staff are an asset and not just an expense.

Have you been living under a rock for the past two weeks?

Same question goes for anybody with any experience even considering joining this mob.

Looks like joining Ryanair in the future will be detrimental to a career in other airlines that treat people decent. I sure hope so. Hopefully this rut will stop. Not holding my breath though.

Stay away!

Joining RYR now undermines the position of flight and cabin crew who hopefully finally stand up against a management who shows the biggest disrespect for their personnel in aviation history.

Do you really want to work for an outfit like RYR? If not done before, read all the threads about working for RYR and hopefully you will be cured for ever!

There are plenty other options now at airlines who still offer good conditions.
Go for it before the crisis sets in again and the doors will be locked again for many years to come.

100% agreed above.

Ryanair is not a place to go. They are just a bunch of bullies who wants to create an hostile working environment.

What people (mostly brainwashed by Ryanair) often forget to think that there is so much more than flying 100h/month loco around Europe and carrying your own water bottles around the terminals. It's so sad that people have taken it as a "standard" nowadays.

They do have some great training and crew in there which I hope they manage to get together and use this opportunity.

What it comes to considering going there etc.. Just don't do it. You'll be just helping a one big twisted machine to create even more harm in the industry.

I understand that Ryanair is not ideal, but for someone straight out of flight school options are limited! Jet2 apprentice seems a really good scheme but failing that and without fluency in languages other than English where are the other big opportunities?

I don't have so much contempt for somebody joining the company straight out of flight school, as long as their intention is to get out as soon as they have enough hours to join a real airline.

Those with experience joining, however, should be ashamed of themselves.

Hi guys. Im in the Far east and can afford to pay for the €28k DEC training. I want a Milano base and overtime . And a stable roster and bonus .
Any guys there can add any info?
I understand its only 18 hours per week of duty and a really great company. I hear they are reducing the roster workload , which sounds great .
Thanks in advance ;)

Listen to yourselves!

We all understand the Ryanair business model, we know the terms and conditions before we join.
The biggest hype about the past few weeks has been on this forum rather than the media.

There will still be a queue out the door waiting to sign up, and more so, the flight schools will probably jump at the opportunity to provide at the moment.
The industry has changed!

It is precisely this behaviour that allows less scrupulous companies to exploit the naive youngsters desperate to offer cheap labour.

Pilots who remain in the company are the ones who can improve conditions.

Haven't you tried any alternatives?! There are better options than FR available in Europe just now.

are you serious?

Herein lies the problem, those leaving flying school now expect to fly a jet. "Big opportunities"

How about actually learning to fly, go and instruct for a year or two, then get a multi crew job flying a turbo prop, then when you've done that for a few years move onto a jet.

While that may be Nice, I don't think it's very realistic. Someone leaving flight school right now, joining Ryanair - rubbish as it is, will see you in a much better position, having earned more money in 5 years, than the old school self improved route.

I don't think this says anything about the attitudes of new pilots. Just that those are the options available. 2 years as an instructor earning a pittance, 2 years as a TP FO maybe 30k pa and then hopefully a jet job. Vs add a little to your already enormous debt, earn better money and have the option to move on with a solid TR in your pocket.

It's naive to bash 'the stupid kids of today' for picking what clearly represents a better return on investment.

Cadets are enticed by big shiny jets, big glassy airports, ray bans and a Breitling. Flying? Nah.

The problem is that, as nice as it would be to be able to do that, it doesn't reflect the realities of the modern world of aviation.

If you can get in to Flybe that would be better, their training is very good.

Oh Johnny...
If you were fresh out of flight school and offered a nice jet to fly would you not jump at the opportunity? I bet you'd be first in line....so stop bashing the newbies, put your big ego in your pockets and rather focus on standing together as a pilot group and bashing management about how they treat pilots collectively.
So many big egos here but all too chicken to do anything about it.
End of the day a newbie also has to put food on the table, pay back loans etc so if a nice jet job will provide for that then well done to them.