When did you do your assessment mate?.

Its the base negotiable for DECs or you gotta take the one they offer you on first instance?.

Thank you.

I did last Tuesday in Stansted, very relax.
Base is negotiable, especially if you already have a job like me.
You have to give 3 choices but you discuss that with them and make your point,
I never flew NG before but rented a Sim 2 hrs for preparation.
I would leave something better paid for joining RYANAIR.

Where do those figures come from?
Is there a payscale?

It's a ballpark figure given to me by friends based there on the italian ryanair contract.

Only if you fly a lot of domestic you reach 7k otherwise 6k average in the year.

Average under RYR contract is 6.000 Eur per month you pay taxes in Ireland and Italy as well, around 40% from your gross salary.
Did they offer you Mcginley during your interview??
Cheers

Are the domestic sectors taxed directly accordiing to Italy tax system or is it taxed according to Irish tax system and then ajusted at the year end with the declaration from the Irish authorities?

Similar situation as "worktolive"

Anyone knows if it's possible to do a ZFTT rating, and much that would cost? Also, it would have to be done via CAE, correct?

Anybody around who has been given base and start date for April as DEC?

Thanks and regards guys.

Hello Guys, I need some help too...
Recently, I have got a pass as DEC in RYR. They offered several base options and among these I am finally thinking in OPO. Anyone from OPO base that could give me an advice about how is the the percentage split concerning social security, tax in Ireland and tax in Portugal from the gross salary? I found some information about certain amount of money considered as per diem non taxable...to summarize, if somebody could talk in first person with generic details would be very much appreciated. Thanks!

Hello

Could anyone come up with a simple unique figure of how much a Ryanair cadet pilot would make, on average ?
And the same guy but with 1500-2500 hours on the b737 ? (after the first one or two pay gaps)

I was never able to get a clear figure, maybe because of the diversity of the contracts offered ?

Thanks

Because there is no clear figure - it depends on how 'efficient' you want to be with your expenses.

However, as they are desperately short of pilots and the pay is by the hour, you'll certainly earn well doing your 900 hours in 10 months - although the contract has supposedly got worse since I jumped.

Don't focus on how much you'll earn, focus on how quickly you can get enough 737 hours to move to a real employer.

Also the command time it depends of your base captain and base TRE, if they don't like your eyes color you will stay waiting until they want. It doesn't matter if you comes with previous experience, if in your last command assestment associated with your last LPC or OPC you are so lucky of having certains old TRE's in Stansted Simulator Training Center you will have to wait at least 1 year more at least for your upgrade...
Some bases the trainers are good profesional people in other could be a really bad dream. I signed with the company looking to my upgradre command in a short time, that was a year and a half ago. Last OPC was PASSED but the old wolf TRE from Stansted make me a Command Assestment and he didn't like. So now I have to wait another year (2sims more) for being recommended, and of course 0 help or motivation from my base captain or TRE.
When I think I declined an employment letter signed with QATAR on last January month I feel like a stupid.

Hey Samca

.....did you ever consider that maybe the 'old wolf' was correct....:E:

Yes I tried several times BUT may be I'm not so smart to understand why some people in this company hate the pilots from OCC and loves their cadets. I'm not the only one coming from a different company and waiting for the command. Nobody of my OCC course is doing the Command Course. 1 year and a half and waiting... when I see in this forum people telling that in 6 months to 1 year you go straight to the Command Upgrade Course I just say I know nobody in that situation.
Maybe to much old Wolves in Stansted thinking that our previous experience is rabbish but their cadets are like golden... really funny

As far as I know Ryanair is only hiring cadets and DEC right now.

Any perspectives for DEFO in 2017?

They are hiring DEFO since more than 2 years ago and still doing.

Is there really a difference in how they treat DEFO vs cadets ?
I am surprised because I was under the impression that they need experienced co-pilots / captain candidates.
Would really appreciate more information on this.

For DEFO the answer is YES, and yes of course they need you but be aware that your Upgrade can be really hard. Also it depends of the base you are, there are very good professionals that try to help you and motivate you for the CU. BUT I found some TREs in Stansted and some BC that is just the opposite. So if you are so lucky that you have a nice BC and TRE in your base is easier if not you are ....
Also when you try to analize the situation or make some questions in order to improve your weaks areas, you gonna receive ambiguous answers. So you don't know how, when and why...
A part of that the problem that I'm worried it is that getting a base in your country once you have passed the interview before to join the CU course is being really harder, as DEFO no problem for that but once you go through the CU interview be prepare for going outside. Now, they are offering mainly bases in Eastern Europe, south of Italy, Greece or Morocco. And the worse part is that you have to sign a bond for 2 years for your training. So my motivation is falling down very fast

Knew lots of DEFO over the years and with the very odd exception nobody was upgraded in their first year. The usual time frame was 18+ months. I always felt it took at least that long to learn the 'Ryanair' way. Not SOPs or checks just an attitude.An attitude which is beaten into the ' golden' cadets from day1....IMHO

An attitude of pulling your pants down and bending over, which most people from other companies cannot understand.

Thanks for the info, seems that its time to think again.

Problem is that they consider you like a young cadet. You feel pressure for your command since the first day you go to the OCC sim BUT in the other hand it doesn't matter how you fly the maneouvers and approaches, how well can you fly an eng out profile. They look for the "excellence" in some stupid things that are completely out of my understanding. So now I'm in a point which I don't know honestly what this people is looking from me, becomes some comments are so ambiguous that you don't know what to do for improving your flying skills.

RYR is confusing
 

Tomuchwork: I was based in Rome for 8 years, flying for Ryanair. I know you don't want to start a Ryanair-bashing session here, but it's pretty tough to talk about Ryanair without airing a bit of disgust. The reason you were not quoted any "hard figures" is simple: Ryanair does everything as underhandedly as possible, and then pops out with "Surprise! You're Screwed!" After it's too late. Working for Ryanair, you feel like you are working for a scam artist. It works best for those who really need their first flying job. Every contractual thing they offer you has a loophole in it for them and a "gotcha" for you. That said, your in-pocket captain pay at month's end, on Irish "Ryanair" employee contract (not signed onto one of their fake agencies) will be between €4000 and €6000 a month unless you cheat on your taxes, in which case it will be higher. The Ryanair-contract pilots who have been there a long time make more than that, but you won't get their contract. Ryanair has over 3,000 pilots and probably 1,000 different contracts to cover them. Rarely do two pilots fly together who are on the same kind of contract. In bocca al lupo!

Is there someone based in Vilnius with Ryanair contract?

SanTelmo, KayPam, Mister, leced4u, Aleboni
Do not hesitate to contact Ryanair. They can answer all your questions. It's best to get it first hand.

They can answer all your questions, but they probably won't.

Annual Leave
 

I have a couple of questions regarding annual leave at Ryanair that I appreciate your inputs:

1. Can you request a specific month off or is it at description of the company (of course it should be in the winter)?

2. Can you bid for your annual leave days and, if so, when do you know if it was granted ?

Happy landings :ok:

RYR offer you three month options for your annual leave.
In regards to ad hoc leave, this is achieved through the online leave system through the crew dock portal.

All good in theory?

In practice, I was there for three years. Never had one of my choices for a month off approved.
I requested 23 separate ad hoc days during my time there. Only 3 days were approved!

Personally for me the leave system is a joke. Don't get me started with having a mandatory month off!! Following one month off I was told that I would have another month off two months later. You do not get paid on your months off as a contractor.

Hope this helps

Re The leave system

Is it still a month off and 10 days A/L to book when you like but with a poor system where you have to book them basically a year in advance and never likely to get summer leave.

Do Ryanair employés get the same as contractors now or do they get more A/L days.

Also are there any Floating 5/5 deals available for Captains still? If so which agency runs that.

Any improvement on the limited company stuff and forced accountants?

Yep. That's the one! For my own stag party I booked 4 months in advance. Still no reply for 2 days leave a week before despite numerous queries. In the end, I told crew control I'd be taking it anyway as they had plenty of notice without the courtesy of a reply.

Guys on the RYR contract receive the same leave as the contractors.

Floaters are still available. I've seen them advertised as 'mobile' Captains. Storm McGinley are the only agency providing crews now, I believe.

Absolutely none in answer to your last question. I was informed that if I chose my own accountant, which is not illegal, they would not give me any work. You are forced to choose one of 3 accountants based in Ireland. Fingers crossed at some stage the authorities will knuckle down on them. Ex-Collegues of mine in Germany have been raided by customs officials due to the tax agreement with RYR and Ireland and RYR declare that the way crews handle their finances is nothing to do with them. It is laughable!

Fingers crossed at some stage the authorities will knuckle down on them.

Why should they unless someone switches their light on? There was a thread on another topic, but what it boiled down to is that the management will not do anything about a subject, e.g. lousy rostering, if no-one writes a report outlining what is at fault. With out complaints there is no problem. The authorities work the same way. Their inbox is overflowing. They do not look for work.

Thanks for your inputs.
Regarding the 10 days annual leave, can you use 5 days between the days off ?

Very true, RAT 5. Couldn't agree more. The fear culture prevents this.

RYR could be one of the best companies to work for if they would just give their crews a proper contract and fix the leave system. Just a few changes would reduce the poisonous atmosphere which is undoubtedly present. But for that, I believe, some of the upper echelons of management would have to disappear.

100% agree with all you wrote

If an experienced employee captain makes 4 to 6k, how much does a young contractor F/O (or S/O if applicable) makes ?
1 to 2 k ? :eek:

FO RYR contract you make 3500 to 4000 Euros net flying around 80 hours.
Captain on Mcginley or RYR contract makes around 5500 Euros for 60 hours more or less. IF you pay the taxes correctly (40% of your gross salary) if you start to play with the taxes of course you can make 7 or even 8k BUT you are not paying the correct amount of taxes and you are living with the fear that probably one day someone is going to audit and knock your door.
That's the ... reality. Doing everything legal a Captain makes 1000 Euros more than you.

The average take home pay for sure depends on the tax situation of the country you are resident and your personal situation.

For example, a married pilot with family on a Ryanair contract (Irish based contract) living in another European country where he/she is resident and where the spouse is working, how does irish authorities consider this pilot for income tax purposes, married single income or married both spouses with income?

I was wondering how Ryanair cope with withholdig income tax on certain countries regarding local laws about domestic flights. Do they divide all the gross income by the block hours flown and then apply the tax, or they use another complex formula that you'll never be able to understand?

Out of curiosity, my current lot will start paying for the actual block hours flown. They will rely on the voyage report filled by the flight crew. How does that work at Ryanair?

Not if you were an FO on a Mcginley or brookfield contract ? What then ?

If you are FO, even a Captain forgive Brookfield. You gonna work with Mcginley. As far as I know there is 3 Accountable Managers available to be with you as "co-owner" of your "company". It depend of your luck but seems to be that some of them are more permissive than others.

I prefer to work under RYR contract and sleep well every night and pay the expenses for my situation, which are around 24% of your gross salary by table. The FO´s that I know under Mcginley are doing much money every month than me but I don´t know how they declare and how much they declare but for sure that they earn considerably more than me.