Any information available as to how long you could expect to wait for upgrade from relief Capt to capt

Despite a purported system-wide Master Seniority List, upgrades on all fleets is entirely at the whim of Norwegian’s questionable management. Third-party, agency employed pilots, either individually or collectively, have neither an employment relationship nor recourse directly with Norwegian, whatsoever. Read the contract.

‘Morality’ and ‘correctness’ are not words I would associate with Norwegian’s labor model, nor, I imagine, would those staff on the receiving end of Norwegian’s oppressive style, regularly making headlines in the Scandinavian media:-

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post9326078

Kjos talks a good talk on how he values his staff at 2.00 minutes in the video below:-

“The number one criteria for success is all the fantastic people we have up in the air, in the offices, on the ground”

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FzAS...&nohtml5=False

If staff are indeed the number one asset, it follows, those same staff have a commodity with which they can decisively negotiate a positive change in their working terms and conditions. The Norwegian Pilot Group declares its goal to members:-

“To facilitate the effective collective representation for ALL Norwegian pilots regardless of country or base”

Rather than idly boast, system-wide collective representation, why not actually do something(?) - NPG: Norwegian’s Pitiful Group.

Apparently, Norwegian’s 787 pilots want to go their own way and have formed the Norwegian Long Haul Pilots Association, NLHPA. Their website states;

“NLHPA will seek its goals by establishing a constructive relationship with the employer”

Their “employer” is the third-party agency that rents them to Norwegian. Any “goals” sought directly with Norwegian require different methods. Let’s hope they can meet the challenge. If not, it is in danger of becoming the NLHPA - Norwegian’s Long Haul Pilot Apathy.

A group of sheep will soon have masters of wolves….....or one smiling rock-ape!

Maybe he did, but unfortunately he is always pretty much on the money with NAS/NAN/NAI/NUK or whatever flavour they are this month.

Dutyplan
 

Hi fellow chaps,

is there noone that can provide a dutyplan, 787 based in Gatwick?

Come on guys, share please! :ok: Also per PN if you like..

US airlines Norwegian Air International - Tech Insider

Well, finally they got the tentative approval.... at least some glimmer of hope for the 787 crews and with Ryanair feeding PAX to them they may do well after all..

Ryanair in talks to feed passengers to Norwegian carrier - Independent.ie

Nothing to do with Obama's visit to UK then!

Gents, there is not much about NLH on this forum because honestly, any info with at least a touch of validity is a scarce commodity

What s the use for instance of publishing the rosters if they constantly change? Be ready for just about anything, sometimes you ll have five days off in a row, but then 20 days away as well. You ll be commuting between bases, never knowing for sure your next day or week. Of course a positive change is "just around the corner", its only hard to say which one. If you think about it realistically, the plan is to open destinations on all five continents, which means with the low budget mentality, the chaos is to be expected for years to come.

As far as the recruitment process goes, streight foward, after prior online psycho tests a small presentation with little info (or enthusiasm) provided, an interview with who you are, what do you expect, with one or two general tech questions and the sim.

The sim is on a 737 and you are basically expected to go through a rushed 45 minutes OPC, including an engine out at vr and single engine np approach with all of the relevant checklists. And that with no prior explanations nor help. Needles to say, if you re 737 type rated, its an easy task, otherwise you may feel like an idiot in a plane you have never touched before.

Adding this to the fact that the company does not even deem it necessary as a gesture of respect to pay even for a single night of hotel accomodation for you in Oslo, you will leave with the feeling of knowing fairly well of what you are getting into. A low budget airline with a very blurred future and questionable employee treatment, but, if thats your ultimate goal, you can fly a dreamliner.

Love how they are pimping flying the 787 as some sort of super awesome once in a career privilege. After 1000 hours on the thing, I can tell you it's just another airliner that goes far. The only thing that is a little nicer then others is the bunk. I really hope that's not worth the damage this horrid contract does to our profession.

As above
 

Good post geronimoapache. There you have it gentlemen.

Since I am an American pilot I will only say that for the incredibly low pay and a training bond, how can any of you be even considering this horrible deal at NAI? At the company I work for at 8 years seniority I take-home about 14,000 Euro a month. And I work for about 20% less than some of the other airlines. In addition I have 18+ days off monthly, unlimited travel, retirement and profit-sharing about 35,000 Euro yearly.
Why is it that you all seem to value your skills and knowledge so little as to crawl over to NAI to fly internationally on a widebody for what my copilot on an A320 makes? I must be seriously missing some great benefit or extra pay that has not been mentioned yet. PLEASE tell me why you are even thinking about calling Rishworth?
I guess I don't understand how flying in Europe works. I'm not trying flame anyone or brag, I just don't understand.

Combination of erectile dysfunction & over-exposure to Dubai. . . . .

That will do it!

Because, the industry in the Europe is in the toilet. Just like it was in the US for a long time, just few short years ago.

It's easy to succumb to a bit of tall poppy syndrome, until you realise that it's swings and roundabouts.

Exchange rates are also subject to change. Your legacy guys with 35+ years seniority were hovering around $200/hr. 100,000GBP a year, or 115,000 Euros at the time. It was the laughing stock of the developed world's aviation market.

It comes and goes, and while I'm not for a moment defending this hideous contract, it's just a manifestation of the current market forces in the EU. As was the joke of a decade in the US.

Guys any update on the selection process? I've applied last summer and did the online test. After several months I've got an email telling me to wait (approx xmas).
Then another email few months ago telling me again to wait cause the application process is still in progress.

WTF almost 1 year and I still don't have the result of my online test or any news about the next step of the assessment.

As far as I am aware, all recruitment and employment will eventually transfer to Orient Ship Management, OSM (aviation division).
Why don't you contact them ?

Don't you have some warning bells going off in your head. If they treat you this way during the recruitment process, and you still are interested in joining them. Some people really can't be helped.

M.H. :ooh: what company do you work for? What a/c type are you flying? Are they recruiting? Also non-typerated? I think we all want to send our C.V.!

Plenty of decent money jobs out there working for airlines that don't feed from the bottom.

I'm an 11 year F/O on a package of 24,000 USD per month, clearing 20,000 after tax. 747 for a legacy well to the east.

I wouldn't get out of bed for less.

Unfortunately in the EU any idiot with 250 hours and type rating can get to a linee cockpit..paying for it in the range of 150K euro so that he'll be able to post a picture of him self in the cockpit on his FB page and to feel super cool. Pax will pay soon the price of this lack of background and wisdom.

roster net salary
 

hi guys

anybody has finally a roster of lgw based capt and a net salary for uk non resident

appreciate

If you are recruited, best open a Skype account, pack washing powder, pot noodles, and delay any major purchases - at least until you can secure permanent employment with an airline, rather than fragile employment with Orient Ship Management, OSM, or other agency broom cupboard affiliate.

US presidential candidate Bernie Sanders believes;

“Norwegian International’s attempt to undermine international labor laws is unacceptable“

“We must do everything we can to prevent a global race to the bottom in the airline industry”

https://berniesanders.com/issues/pre...line-industry/

http://e24.no/naeringsliv/norwegian-...-skje/23677670

The Sanders announcement is surprising given that Kjos has worked hard to gain approval of politicians in his unique, diplomatic style:

“Norwegian CEO Bjorn Kjos believes American politicians who criticize him are bought and paid for”

http://www.dn.no/nyheter/naringsliv/...kjpt-og-betalt