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Harry palmer 5th Aug 2015 22:59

Well said DK. I've still got an application in from 3 years ago and still waiting to hear either way lol! ; )

I know people that are still in the said hold pool that haven't heard a thing from them. If they require the rumoured numbers for next year you'd think the HR team would be working 24/7 getting the yes or no's out ASAP.

highfive 6th Aug 2015 01:50

So FO salary really starts at £35k for 15 months. What Gulf based FO flying widebidies is going to demean themselves enought to take this ? After tax £2300 per month. Thats reality.

highfive 6th Aug 2015 01:59

P.S You reap what you sow. If J2 HR/ personal are so condescending as to not even make the effort to simply send out a courtesy email re hold pool prospects after an applicant has applied, exposed themselves to their psycosoddomy, then it says a whole lot more about this bunch than anything written on prune.

BigGeordie 6th Aug 2015 05:39

Highfive, you might be surprised how many F/Os in the Gulf would be interested in returning home having discovered that the streets certainly aren't paved with gold and the "tax free" salary doesn't go as far as they thought it might. Throw in a sadistic company culture and 7+ years to command along with 95 hour rosters- suddenly lo-cost in Europe begins to look quite attractive.

Yes, they would take a pay drop but what price living at home?

Cuillin Hills 6th Aug 2015 07:09

At least you got a reply after 12 months, Drag King!

I know type-rated people who passed the assessment day last year and didn't even get told they had passed it until they pushed for an answer!

J2 didn't even come back to them after that - most of them are very happy DECs at Ryanair now.

Twiglet1 6th Aug 2015 08:57

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 
The only issue Jet 2 will have is the training pipeline. People will want to join them as despite what is being said they remain an 'attractive' proposition. With the turnover plenty of Commands, new FO's, training opportunity etc.
There will always be attrition unless they try and arrest the situation thru any initiatives to keep crews happy (good luck with that ) . The only good news is that crews that apply will be aware they work hard in the summer and have frequent roster changes would you believe 😮😮😮

DDobinpilot 6th Aug 2015 09:14


Originally Posted by heliusac (Post 9071947)
  • Type Rating fully covered including hotel/breakfast/mileage
  • 3 year reducing bond starts after final line check (used to be £28k but I think it may be less now they have their own training facility)
  • You get 50% (of 100%) basic salary whilst training and sector/duty on top whilst line training. Usually takes 3-6 months depending on time of year. They gave some courses a financial bonus because the training went on too long. I heard their cutoff is 13 weeks now then they give you full basic salary anyway (but not 100% certain on that). Full salary (or 70% etc) after FLC
  • F/O Wage starts around £50kish (or 70% of that if that's your contract). 70% seems to last for anything from a few months to 15 months

Thanks for the info! :)

gorter 6th Aug 2015 10:35

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 
Have they changed the bond again then. Very recently the bond started reducing a year after final line check. So the 3 year bond was effectively 4. If you find 2 jet2 pilots on the same contract you probably deserve a medal.

And to those who never heard back. I'm honestly not joking, they probably lost your application.

Chesty Morgan 6th Aug 2015 10:56

Gorter, did you ever read your own contract?!

The bond does start reducing after a year but it reduces over the following two years. Ergo, effectively three years.

gorter 6th Aug 2015 11:06

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 
I started before there were bonds old chap. Just relaying what others have told me.

Chesty Morgan 6th Aug 2015 11:17

Well, you are wrong.

Might be worth researching what you're pontificating on lest you start to look silly. Old chap.

2 Whites 2 Reds 6th Aug 2015 17:45

Until recently the bonds aka 'Training Agreements' were over 3 years, non reducing for 12 months from the date of final line check. This means the balance reduced on a pro rata basis over 24 months. So it is most definitely a 3 year agreement, not 4. However, I have it on very good authority that these have now been amended to start reducing from the date of final line check.

The whole 'Training Agreement' is a joke as far as I'm concerned. Ok if the company has invested something in you or a Type Rating but for Type Rated joiners the whole thing is a disgrace.

Cue the "you didn't have to sign it brigade"....

DjerbaDevil 6th Aug 2015 18:56

Jet2 will be visiting the UAE on a recruitment drive
 
http://www.pprune.org/middle-east/56...ent-drive.html

papazulu 10th Aug 2015 12:39

...meanwhile this tread has gone very quiet.

Any one (NTR) with their application acknowledged "received" for 6+ weeks and yet not a beep?

PZ :ok:

Harry palmer 10th Aug 2015 12:53

Still says under review! Applied over a month ago. Does it change from received to under review or under review to received if you have passed the tests etc?

Mr Good Cat 10th Aug 2015 14:53

Jet2 Autumn 2014
 
Seems there's a big drive for experienced non-rated DECs on at the moment so possibly will be dealing with FOs a little later on in the autumn.

They're out in the Middle East for the next couple of weeks.

B737900er 10th Aug 2015 15:45

Im assuming on the hope to convince guys to join on a 70% contrac,t with a 3 year bond and 50% during your training, and then to have the privilege of getting taxed 40%:ugh: Good luck is all I can say.

Nice holiday for the recruitment team though

Mr Good Cat 10th Aug 2015 16:31


Originally Posted by B737900er (Post 9077546)
Im assuming on the hope to convince guys to join on a 70% contrac,t with a 3 year bond and 50% during your training, and then to have the privilege of getting taxed 40%:ugh: Good luck is all I can say.

Nice holiday for the recruitment team though

It's 100% contracts for experienced Captains, even non-rated. Less pay, more tax for sure... But by the time you've balanced it all out the chance to be based back in the UK at your airport of choice swings it for a lot of guys. No other airline can offer this at the moment so I'm sure a few will take advantage of it.

It's a win-win as Jet2 know that the guys they're getting will be in it for the long-term and won't be jumping ship for an overseas contract or downgrading to the right seat in BA in the future.

Won't be for everybody but no harm in checking things out at The Westin roadshow over a cold beer or two :ok:

Mr Angry from Purley 10th Aug 2015 17:31

Come on then B737-900ER anymore negatives to put interested crews off.
If it's that bad at EK/FZ good on Jet 2 for trying to tap the market. :\

2 Whites 2 Reds 10th Aug 2015 18:19


Originally Posted by Mr Good Cat (Post 9077598)
It's 100% contracts for experienced Captains, even non-rated. Less pay, more tax for sure... But by the time you've balanced it all out the chance to be based back in the UK at your airport of choice swings it for a lot of guys. No other airline can offer this at the moment so I'm sure a few will take advantage of it.

It's a win-win as Jet2 know that the guys they're getting will be in it for the long-term and won't be jumping ship for an overseas contract or downgrading to the right seat in BA in the future.

Won't be for everybody but no harm in checking things out at The Westin roadshow over a cold beer or two :ok:


Are FR not offering 100% FR Contracts at the base of choice for DEC's? Are EZY not offering the same at LGW? I appreciate that a LGW base isn't idea for everyone but it certainly captures a very large number when compared to LBA.

I agree it's a novel idea and in principal it sounds like a good one but at a time when EK are parking up aircraft due to a lack of crew, I'm surprised its being allowed to happen at all.

It's going to be an interesting 12-18 months at Jet2. There aren't that many pilots leaving at the mo and while it's not insignificant as a percentage, MANY more resignations will arrive at LFFH when the rest show their hand over the coming year or so. Meanwhile, management will continue to tell themselves that they're doing a wonderful job and pilots are just fickle creatures bouncing from one shiny thing to the next. The more pressing concern as far as I can see is the number of experienced, long term senior cabin crew leaving for pastures new. Many going off to admin jobs and giving up flying altogether after being treated so poorly. Experience is required on both sides of the flight deck door after all.


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