Jet2 will be visiting the UAE on a recruitment drive.
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Jet2 will be visiting the UAE on a recruitment drive.
For those whom might have had enough of the Middle East:
https://krb-sjobs.brassring.com/TGWe...13&siteid=6432
https://krb-sjobs.brassring.com/TGWe...13&siteid=6432
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Plenty of ex Jet 2 bods at EK are actively looking to return based upon a conversation I had before I left. That being said, the reason Jet poo are visiting is because they themselves continue to leak people to BA, Norwegian, and even Ryanair. But to be honest, if you've had enough, then better to leave with a job than without.
Are you listening TCAS? AAR? Thought not
Are you listening TCAS? AAR? Thought not
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Plenty of ex Jet 2 bods at EK are actively looking to return based upon a conversation I had before I left. That being said, the reason Jet poo are visiting is because they themselves continue to leak people to BA, Norwegian, and even Ryanair. But to be honest, if you've had enough, then better to leave with a job than without.
Are you listening TCAS? AAR? Thought not
Are you listening TCAS? AAR? Thought not
A no-brainer for those who want/need to return to the North UK/Scotland/N. Ireland and don't rely on a 45k DHS paycheque. All depends on whether you are prepared to live a normal lifestyle or rely on the fancy brunches of Dubai hotels and private education for the kids (IMO not necessarily better than UK state education).
Will be worth a look down at The Westin on the 17th and 18th... Nothing to lose!
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Mr Good Cat
Would very much depend on what defines a 'normal lifestyle'. They're a friendly bunch and not many, if any night flights to speak of. Not sure of the yearly hours but guaranteed less than EK's ever increasing and unsustainable targets. Two flies in the ointment though. Salary, after hefty UK tax and NI will be a big hit for those used to the ME salary and the rosters are anything but stable. So, if you can live with those changing rosters and a 60% salary decrease, it's worth a punt.
Good luck for those going and a wake up call to the EK management who appear to have their heads buried continually in the sand. Wake up 3rd floor, it's not just about the money. It's QOL that counts too!
Harry
Would very much depend on what defines a 'normal lifestyle'. They're a friendly bunch and not many, if any night flights to speak of. Not sure of the yearly hours but guaranteed less than EK's ever increasing and unsustainable targets. Two flies in the ointment though. Salary, after hefty UK tax and NI will be a big hit for those used to the ME salary and the rosters are anything but stable. So, if you can live with those changing rosters and a 60% salary decrease, it's worth a punt.
Good luck for those going and a wake up call to the EK management who appear to have their heads buried continually in the sand. Wake up 3rd floor, it's not just about the money. It's QOL that counts too!
Harry
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Harry I usually think you have a pretty balanced view on things but simply stating that tax and NI is high in UK and that salary is "60%" of that in Dubai is not a fair comparison.
How much is a 3-4 bedroom house in East Midlands for example? Food shopping at Tesco in East Middlands or Belfast compared to Dubai? What about all the "hidden" taxes and fees in Dubai? What if you include the announced increase in fuel prices in Dubai to the equation? Upcoming VAT? Etc etc. I don't even know the answer to all these questions but it's not all black and white you know.
Anyway, middle range (terms and conditions) low cost carriers running road shows in the Middle East is quite interesting and really shows how bad things have gotten in some companies.
Good luck to everybody!
CP
How much is a 3-4 bedroom house in East Midlands for example? Food shopping at Tesco in East Middlands or Belfast compared to Dubai? What about all the "hidden" taxes and fees in Dubai? What if you include the announced increase in fuel prices in Dubai to the equation? Upcoming VAT? Etc etc. I don't even know the answer to all these questions but it's not all black and white you know.
Anyway, middle range (terms and conditions) low cost carriers running road shows in the Middle East is quite interesting and really shows how bad things have gotten in some companies.
Good luck to everybody!
CP
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Thats from a skipper at a small base I spoke to.
That's not 40% of my EK salary - but I agree it's a chunk less when you consider that you have to pay for your house and utility bills. Then again you will be living in the countryside with fresh air and no E311 and Meydan-style camps/compounds.
I guess there'll be lots of thinking to be done by some EK skippers over the next few months.
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It's more like £5,000 in the summer, £3,800 in a quiet winter. Then factor in ridiculous house prices, grim weather, no staff travel, and no crew food.
People you work with are great, and are there to do a professional job for all the right reasons. Aircraft getting better as the 800 is phased in in increasing numbers.
People you work with are great, and are there to do a professional job for all the right reasons. Aircraft getting better as the 800 is phased in in increasing numbers.
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I guess it comes down to how much you work and individual pension contributions but since the beginning of 2014 my salary is broadly similar to the figures Mr Good Cat has quoted. My worst month was January last year and I took home a gnats under 4100. We've had a 5% and a 3% pay rise since then.
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few months ago my initial online screening interrupted on his own ( could not continue to next section ); tried to contact them in various ways but never got the expected answer, something like...... system restored please try again; got a failure mail instead.
No wonder they have to go all the way out of europe to find people, I might not have passed the full test anyway but so far me and them don't know.
No wonder they have to go all the way out of europe to find people, I might not have passed the full test anyway but so far me and them don't know.
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Jet2 will be visiting the UAE on a recruitment drive.
The fact they want experienced commanders alone is a step away from the traditional LoCo model... Any other UK jobs (except downgrading to a BA FO position) require either a type rating or 25,000 euros for the 'privilege' to fly for them. At least this one is the traditional 3 year training bond arrangement.
And for those from Oop Nerth it's a chance to go home and sit in the corner of a pub on your days off with flat cap and whippet, while the wife works down the salt mine. That's The North, right? ;-)
And for those from Oop Nerth it's a chance to go home and sit in the corner of a pub on your days off with flat cap and whippet, while the wife works down the salt mine. That's The North, right? ;-)
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Went for selection as a NTR DEC at the end of last year and was offered a slot (19 years wide body Airbus, 9 years in command with training experience, last 12 with a ME carrier). Newcastle was the only slot they were offering and apparently this is the norm according to mates on the inside, and only a 70% contract which was neglected to be mentioned at the interview.
After challenging them on the 70% gig, when I wanted a full time contract, I was told that all NTR DEC's get 70% and after between 12-18 months they 'might' be offered 100% contracts.
The 30% reduction in package was also to cover the cost of the type rating, despite a 14k bond being in the 70% contract
Overall assessment:- a tin pot outfit, run like an poorly organised flying club with arrogant, autocratic senior management - decided to stay put in the sandpit until something better came along.
After challenging them on the 70% gig, when I wanted a full time contract, I was told that all NTR DEC's get 70% and after between 12-18 months they 'might' be offered 100% contracts.
The 30% reduction in package was also to cover the cost of the type rating, despite a 14k bond being in the 70% contract
Overall assessment:- a tin pot outfit, run like an poorly organised flying club with arrogant, autocratic senior management - decided to stay put in the sandpit until something better came along.
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Went for selection as a NTR DEC at the end of last year and was offered a slot (19 years wide body Airbus, 9 years in command with training experience, last 12 with a ME carrier). Newcastle was the only slot they were offering and apparently this is the norm according to mates on the inside, and only a 70% contract which was neglected to be mentioned at the interview.
After challenging them on the 70% gig, when I wanted a full time contract, I was told that all NTR DEC's get 70% and after between 12-18 months they 'might' be offered 100% contracts.
The 30% reduction in package was also to cover the cost of the type rating, despite a 14k bond being in the 70% contract
Overall assessment:- a tin pot outfit, run like an poorly organised flying club with arrogant, autocratic senior management - decided to stay put in the sandpit until something better came along.
After challenging them on the 70% gig, when I wanted a full time contract, I was told that all NTR DEC's get 70% and after between 12-18 months they 'might' be offered 100% contracts.
The 30% reduction in package was also to cover the cost of the type rating, despite a 14k bond being in the 70% contract
Overall assessment:- a tin pot outfit, run like an poorly organised flying club with arrogant, autocratic senior management - decided to stay put in the sandpit until something better came along.
I was just honest in the interview and told them I couldn't accept less than 100%, and couldn't accept the 757. In return I would bring a bit of experience and would be with them as long as they're in business.
Think it pays to be up front and honest when you're at the interview, providing it's done in a nice way of course.