DEP at Ryanair
 

I'm not a particular follower of Ryanair - but I get the impression that employing experienced FO's could be a change of their Modus Operandi and perhaps a reaction to the loss of crews to greener fields.

Direct Entry First Officer B737-800 (Ryanair)-Latest Pilot Jobs-Latest Pilot Jobs

"Great basing opportunities - vacancies this year in Italy, Greece, Poland and Morocco plus many more for summer 2015."


mmmm........that sounds terrific, now where is the browser exit button? like saying dog poo tastes great, come and chow down.

I also see they are recruiting for permanent positions on there own website, using there own HR department. Maybe things are starting to change.

May appeal to guys in the regionals especially the likes of Cityjet and flybe.

Well, if this is the sign of the new DFO altering policy then good on him. However there is little doubt that his hand has been forced by attrition. Nevertheless, it would be good to see some valuable experience in the right seat, if it can be attracted. I wonder about the contracts on offer, the bond for the rating and whether that bond is tied to the base allocation. They aren't prime locations yet some might be tempted? Hopefully it will free up some opportunity for existing crew to transfer to their first choice locations. It's only fair but remains to be seen.

haha that's a new one :D

wondering what's next..

On Ryanair website under 'Minimum requirements for all applicants' : A current licence on a JET in excess of 20,000 kgs.

Rules out most of flybe, Aer Arann, Logan, Eastern etc...

A friend in flybe told me that embraer rating no longer cuts the mustard with EK - that may convince a few to go looking for some Boeing time.

Tried to apply on multiple computers and am getting an Internal Server 500 error every time.

im having the same problem error comes up when i submit the form.

Anyone have an answer to this. There is no telephone no. to call etc

Speedrestriction, it is not true. I'm EMB rated and I have a PSP1 for EK scheduled at the end of May.

They won't be short of takers. Boeing time and command on a 737 in a short space of time will be a big draw for many quality applicants. However make no mistake like always regardless of what they offer they will be choosy and the training is not easy by any means. If you can follow millions of SOPS to the letter,hold your own in the sim you will get through. If you can't you won't. Simple as that.

What does cs25 stand for?

Used to be JAR25 now cos EASA want to be different they recall it CS,
"certified Specifications"

DEP at Ryanair
 

Does anyone have idea of the basic if being offered a Ryanair contract (not contractor)? And sector pay etc. Can you see their basing policy improving. Eg if you are a FO in STN then move to the left seat, you stay in STN?

Anyone actually been able to apply via the ryanair website..?....as others keep on getting "server error".

Lucky escape ?
 

Server error is sometimes not a bad thing !

Exactly... Take the hint :ok:

The Ryanair website, although a vast improvement on the original cheap nasty offering, is a good indicator of the standard to which you can expect from them. Base transfer... Server error, Summer vacation.... Server error, pay rise... Server error, treated like a human being... Server error! :}

Apply if you're desperate.... And VERY best of luck!

The reason THEY are recruiting DE, is because they are desperate! They are desperate, because so many have left, because of all the above reasons. This is a rare opportunity for Pilots to regain some ground, when it comes to T&C's. DON'T apply to Ryanair, they will be forced to change and up their game, which will in turn force NAS et al, to do the same. Wishful thinking maybe, but worth a try at least! :}


Just to add, this is all just my humble opinion etc.

Me too Can't apply through the ryr website.

Hoping the terms and conditions are at least worth looking at......if I ever get past the application stage.

In my humble opinion (obviously ) we are , very slowly, going back to 2002.

At this stage, people were leaving Easy to join Ryan, and with good reason.

There followed a (brief) period where benefits were on the up, but, note well, it WAS brief.

If we compare Orange to Blue & Yellow, there will be a scant few "long termers" on "old" Ryanair contracts, who don't wish they hadn't joined the "Orange Order" (kinda difficult I know if you are Irish :hmm: )

We will see, in due course, whether this small step towards reversing the order swells into something bigger.

As you said, any +ve movement is welcome, particularly with regard to stopping the impending deterioration in "greener pastures" (or "redder pastures" for those of us struck by Nordic colour blindness)

Does anybody what the conditions are; minimum hours and pay?

Any change to join with no previous pic experience on airliners for dec position(givencpleanty of pic on GA aircraft)?

Cheers

One has to be beyond desperate to fall for this offer. It might be tempting for some, but for most it will be jumping from the frying pan into the fire. If they only advertise with bases where hardly anyone is interested in and some vague promises or possibilities for following years and you know things hardly ever get any better in a company, you know what you can expect, right? Nothing and less. It wont get any better than what they offer now. Especially with currently less profit and profit warnings. Large amount of pilots are not leaving for nothing or just because they can get a better job. Some even take a less paid job to get out!

The dark side might be tempting for some, so may the force be with you if you decide to go for this one! ;)

Arewerunning- is that a joke? Sadly not, if small piston nope.

Ask yourself the question, Why are they looking for DE F/O? From What I hear The answer is: The ones that have 1500 CS 25 can't wait to get out the door to carriers that will give them proper career prospects. There are none in FR land, No seniority, No guaranteed basing, No stable hours, No life etc.

That's why I'm curious what these new contracts are like. Are they as bad as the contracts when you start as a cadet, or better...

@pilot3103:

I am not jocking...tt7000hrs 1000hrs pic on small piston as FI/CRE 6000hrs COP medium heavy jet...

Willing to join ryan on left seat only...(would be leaving a legacy carrier in europe)

Cheers

I would be surprised if you could go direct entry LHS with many operators without any multi crew pic time.

It does happen that a company recruits a DEC with no previous command time, but it's rare and usually in desperation. I am pretty sure it'd never happen at RYR, though - they dislike DEC enough as it is, without that complication.

Also given their propensity for low-experienced FO's I would be surprised if crewing a DEC with no previous relevant PIC experience would not be a serious issue.

DEC without multi crew PIC
 

It'll never happen. They've always pushed for 737 time for DECs, however failing that considerable multi crew PIC jet time was a requirement. Due to the nature of their operation and the training department's reluctance towards DEC OCCs (down to enlightening past experiences) it wouldn't be entertained. They have a large need at the moment however I don't see that being part of it. You'd join in the right seat and if you stuck it out for a year, maybe more, you'd be in the left seat. I'm sure you'd have no problem in keeping your Italian, Polish, Greek or Moroccan base as well! :ok:

Whilst I see many of you are eager to know the conditions of the DEFO contract.when you do upgrade you'll be on a shocking capt contract earning less than the cadets in the summer months.

Unless, of course, they are forced to improve it.

Jesus!

How do they find people to sit in the LHS for less than a cadet?

What does a captain earn on average then?

Ask vueling:confused:

I am told, by a colleague who recently decided to forego the "opportunity" to instead sell his skills in pastures new, that a very good friend of his, having done the maths, expects €4200 net . . total (!) as a new Capt on a Ryanair contract . . . . . . quite a bit less than he currently earns as a Brookfield FO, and with the "joy" of a new base gawd knows where to look forward to.

I can't imagine new entry DEC's being offered much more than incumbent peeps ? . . . but I may be wrong.

captainplaystation

Whilst the subject of new upgrade contracts/base relocation is a contentious one, I can't see where your colleague's friend is getting their figures from? From the number quoted, the only thing that I can correlate this to is basic monthly salary, and it falls quite a few €100 sort. And this is year 1 at 90% :ugh:

Added to this is allowance, holiday pay and flight pay. There is a lot of sh1t being stirred about at the minute regarding these contracts however I am yet to meet a skipper netting the number quoted. I'm not defending Ryanair here, they really need to start playing ball however there are a lot of FOs quoting figures that are just simply ridiculous.

I am always weary about people trying to get a Captain position in an airline, with having only FO time on another type.

The salary does not really matter here.

And the zillion hours single pilot piston are not relevant either.

When comparing contractor salaries their seem to be some confusion between how much you earn & how much you invoice Brookfield/Storm. Depending on tax regulations and social security regulations you may net out close to all of what your company invoices these agencies. But the reality for others is that you may net out less than 50 % of the invoiced amount. I think there is yet an FO to make more than a Capt. over a year, but the point is you have to be careful taking the hourly pay rate at face value.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ... it probably is a duck.

After all the negative publicity over all these years who in their RIGHT MIND would want to join Ryanair?!

I don't remember reading anything positive and know (from personal contacts) a lot of negatives.

But I suppose there will always be those who either wear rose-tinted spectacles or think it'll be different for them.

In the interests of fair play - would someone please write something POSITIVE about the airline and its management?!

The only positive I have been given is that if you accept Ryanair for what it is and join with your eyes open, then you wont be disappointed. Those who expect legacy airline lifestyle - forget it.

Thousands of pilots fly for the airline, so they can't all be wrong - can they?

Sitw:
Quick upgrade time
Nice roster
Some nice bases with many major airports finding their way into the route network.

All in all a crap place to be but believe it or not there are even worse places to be