If you contact the recruitment team they will be able to tell you your number in the pool.
As to when you are are pulled out the pool they probably won't be able to answer or won't commit too.

Rex when you say 'almost non-exsistant long haul recruitment' can you elaborate on what was said at all?

RexBanner,

Thanks for the info, I/we are expecting an update this month. I will see what they say in that communication first.

I suspect Rex is hinting at the fact that according to some sources there might be several long haul fleets which are not expecting to take internal transfers to the RHS this coming year. If that is indeed the case like Rex I also suspect there are going to be few if any opportunities for DEP recruitment to those fleets and probably, given internal demand, quite possibly only in house transfers to the few long haul fleets where there are projected vacancies.

FWIW it also looks like some form of normality has returned to the time scale for shorthaul commands.

I was offered and accepted a short haul position mid last month. I was in the long haul pool but due to circumstances was happy to accept short haul. From what was mentioned it definitely seems as though there will be very few DEP LH offers made. I was swimming for just over 6 months! Good luck to everyone waiting, hopefully it won't be too long.

We'll see, there's always the overiding caveat of training capacity, and behind the scenes costs. OTOH given demand for Long Haul from internal candidates who either missed out last year or who have have exited their freeze periods in the twelve months even if the projected "closed" fleets suddenly have projected vacancies my guess is there will be much less demand/need for DEPs direct to Long Haul.

My best guess if you're in the pool I'd certainly be planning for Shorthaul.

Short Haul is nowhere near as bad as some on here make out. That's also coming from a commuter.

There will be no LH DEP recruitment next year.

When you say "...no LH DEP recruitment...", do you mean those in the pool will not be offered long haul positions, or there will be no further advertisement for LH openings?

Such a shame if this is the case after all the hype with very large recruitment numbers being banded around the place.

Perhaps they should have advertised for one position as opposed to separate "LH and SH" vacancies.

There's sure to be a large number of disappointed LH swimmers (particularly swimmers hoping to commute) if this news is true.

Thanks for the updates though.

Regarding timescales to SH commands. I presume this might be due in part to the lack of internal transfer of FO's from SH to LH in 2017. However with the recruitment and LH Airframes arriving from 2018, the sudden requirement for quick SH command upgrades could occur again?!

It's amazing how quickly things change. It wasn't so long ago that BA were in DXB trying to tempt widebody guys.

Hopefully 2018 is a better year
for LH DE recruitment.

Didn't they go to HKG as well?

Does seem odd to specifically try to attract guys to long haul, and then say the year your in the pool there will be no or very little recruitment.

Will wait and see what 2018 brings, but if you are already in the pool will you not expire before then?

I think the issue is the fact that BA have potentially recruited for jobs that, if this thread is correct, don't exist.

I think that's a touch harsh Plastic787. People have applied for a particular job, there is no sense of entitlement other than for the specific job they applied for.

As for bypassing people, I am sure that the overall master seniority list see's to the fact that no bypassing has taken place. Very few people join BA not seeing it as a "final" job so surely everyone ends up where they want and it's just a case of how much seniority you have when you get there? I can completely understand people being upset if they have seen out their freeze and can't get the positions that are being given to DEPs, but I am unsure as to if that's actually happened? As for those in their freeze, surely they knew that when they joined so wouldn't expect to be entitled to change fleets before that's complete?

Sadly I don't think there was any such think as a guaranteed job in aviation, let alone guarantees of promised positions, at any airline.. there's a limited number posts and there's the prickly issue that an increasing number of current BA employees have got the seniority for those "jobs"...

FWIW:

Up until recently as we all know there was a need for a lot of recruitment at BA, as we know most entrants went onto the A320. No problem there.

As far as filling Long Haul seats that was a bit unusual (in terms of numbers). Because of type freezes for those recruited to Short Haul at the front end of the current recruiting bulge, and the company's reluctance to release individuals early from their freeze periods (on the grounds of lack of training capacity) the company could "legitimately" deny internal transfers from those wanting to leave Short Haul and recruit DEPs direct to LH without busting agreements. Obviously some feathers were indeed ruffled (as witnessed in a previous post) and I have to say I can sympathise with the POV of those who suffered as a result.

Fast forward twelve months and even more BA P2s have exited their freeze periods and have entirely legitimate expectations of being slotted into the established process for conversion to a Long Haul type. There's a lull in deliveries - the A380 Fleet is now (I think) fully established, the only new Long Haul hull due in the year is a single 787 ...chuck the newly revealed business plan into the mix and suddenly it appears that there aren't going to be anything like as many vacant Long Haul RHS next year as there were this year. As a result it's going to be very hard for management to justify large numbers of DEPs leap frogging onto Long Haul ahead of existing time served/freeze served BA P2s. In conclusion I'd expect the vast vast majority of LH slots next year will go to existing BA P2s..there's no shortage of internal bidders. That doesn't mean there's no possibility of DEPs direct to Long Haul...but IMHO if it happens it won't be offered in significant numbers.

Of course you can never say never, there might be a sudden change of fleet plan, the next run of the "system" might chuck up shortages...but at the moment this does look like being a relatively slack year...

Julietsierra6 May I ask when you did your sim assessment?

I doubt it will make much difference to internal bidders / external recruitment but I personally know two recent joiners to the company on long haul who are returning to Ryanair in the coming few weeks

That's not even the most shocking one. A couple used their right to return to go back to Monarch recently.

Some good posts here recently. I even agree totally with the frustrations probably experienced by SH Fo's being leap frogged by DEP's to LH positions. As wiggy explains though this is just the way of the world really. In my airline there are guys joining as DEP's getting their base from day 1 along with going onto a contract where they're employed directly by the airline. I'm 8 years in and still don't have either.

However I like to think I'm sensible. I did apply via the LH application, and this is my third attempt.. I'm more than willing to accept basically anything they offer me in any base. I'd hate to sink in the pool and am hoping that now I've let them know I'd accept a SH position that i will be offered one at some point.

I also heard the pool duration might be extended to 18 months although of course I've no idea if this is true.

Yes it is.

One of the team involved in recruitment tells me there about 80 odd in the hold pool which will satisfy all BA's needs for 2017. Add this to the recent information out from the postings and promotions department stating that next year recruits will be onto A320 at LHR/LGW.