The flight instructors working for CTC or other cadet factories and the checkers giving the final exam are at the origine of the whole aviation downgrade.
The flight instructors accepting to fly everyday as single pilots with a low timer on commercial jets are also responsible of the crap.
The only way to solve this downturn is to work on FIs responsabilities and to ask TRIs and TREs to stop training and checking any P2F pilots untill the situation has been clear up...
Man told me some of them come from majors and shoot the entire system for their own benefits.
Stop crying like babies and act like men killing the illness at the root.

A TRE fed up with all this mascarade.:yuk:

Tennisten

Did you read the thread?!

These 330 people are already flying for easyjet as contractors through agencies. They are just being offered permanent contracts, and pretty bad ones too. We are not talking about creating new work here... just shifting it around on paper.

nope......

and reading your last reply here, you still don't seem to get the point:

no NEW jobs, just ppl being moved from agency contract to permanent contracts. Aside from the couple of MPL schemes that are running now, no new cadet entries.

'330 jobs to be had' - no there isn't.

'8 to 10 cadets at a time' - define time? They've been joining EZY for the last few years, so those 8-10 for months and months has more than ensured those 'jobs to be had', are had already.

So no chance of any scheme being run by EZY, scam perhaps, but no scheme.

tenniston-

There still seems to be some confusion, which is confusing because this is very simple. Just stop for a second and read what is being written.

This announcement will not directly result in any new work for cadets at easyjet, full stop, the end. It means that 300 ish first officers who are already first officers at easyJet will get a permanent contract. What it does not mean is that any new cadets will either start courses or type ratings from the holding pool. Therefore this is not good news. In fact, it is bad news given what the contracts say.

Tennisten,

There is already a cadet scheme run by CTC and also Oxford is running an MPL cadet scheme. These "new" jobs are for the contract first officers that have been employed indirectly by easyJet for some time already - A B scale contract if you will. Its shameful and disgraceful that the management see fit to introduce such a poor contract when the company are making massive profits!

The only positive is that these new first officers can now be represented by the union.

And most of them will sign the contract because its offering some form of security.

easyJet are taking advantage of the poor economic situation to rape and take advantage of these people, who it could be argued should have known better, but thats a different matter completely, by offering them a permanent position with some benefits which compared to the contracts they're on currently is actually worse.

But ultimately it is a 'job' as opposed to contracting and they will have more employee 'rights'. The industry is not going to improve for the foreseeable future.

Out of interest what added security is it REALLY adding?

Against redundancy?

https://www.gov.uk/calculate-your-redundancy-pay

You'd need to have been employed for a minimum of 2 years to receive anything.

I gave it a run - aged 24, with 3 years service on this contract your statutory payment would be £1075. And you'll only get it if you've been there at least 2 years. Where's the real added security? Guaranteed money per month? Profit is the reward for risk - there is more risk on Flexi and so it pays better than this contract will - you'll earn more on flexi I assure you. Pension? £100000 in a UK pension pot returns an annuity of at best £6K a year - how many £100000s are you going to save on this contract?

The only way to get more security is to leave broken Britain.

Hold out for a better contract.

Back in the old days airlines would recruit a mixture of experience and new cadets, now it just seems that they only hire new cadets with little hours and the money to pay for a type rating. I agree that all the existing pilots who bought their type ratings should be given a contract, it is only fair, but it would be nice if they opened up recruitment to more experienced crew. I am an example of many, 4000hrs plus with a main airline and now would be a great time to step up to an airbus, but alas, experience means nothing.

Regards

B&B,

Simple. Security of income - when the threat from the management is that if you remain as pay-per-hour your hours may well reduce.

Nothing to do with redundancy, as you have discovered you're knackered either way.

Favete linguis : The industry is not going to improve for the foreseeable future.

Favete, do you think "the industry" will change in the way weather changes, through some external reasons out of our control, such as god's will or the color of leaves in the trees or the height at which swallows are flying today ???

The industry WILL change if pilots act for it to change. Management is not going to turn around some day and say "oh, we've gone too far. Let's be nice and switch back to 2004 T&Cs". No, that will not happen.

Get back to reality. Unless you act, you will get poorer and poorer, increasingly knackered and your management will enjoy fatter and fatter bonuses.

B&B - also security with your base. Whilst it's never likely to be 100% secure you can be sure you won't be shifted round every few months like Easy can do with their flexi staff.

Or to add to your post Greywind have your contract terminated and then shunted on to the worst contract in the network that you'd already declined....

Has anyone got any numbers to add to the discussion - basic salary? I know it's probably horrendous pay but from my point of view I'd sooner be on a a lower guaranteed income than the flexicrew lottery. In that respect it's a good move by Easyjet. If they extended it to all FOs from the date they joined and stopped charging for type ratings they might have something close to resembling a decent employer.

ManU

And so it will continue; And future Captains will be earning what f/o's are earning today.

Is this a good move for you?

ManUtd1999

2 years mandatory flexicrew.
2 years on £33k + £5k variable (core FO scale).
For evermore on £41k + £5k variable (core SFO scale).

You still have to pay for everything, at inflated prices. So most have a training debt of £1,200 per month. This will leave you with an income of £1,200 per month on the FO scale and £1,500 per month as a SFO.

A 21 year old McDondalds worker (in the kitchen) on a 40 hour week will take home around £1,150.

If you think this in any way resembles a good deal then you are deluded.

Calm down guys - I've never claimed it was a good deal, just better then flexicrew. As standalone salaries (ie, assume you have no debt), they are reasonable and competitive with a lot of airlines. As you point out, the problem comes when you have the huge debts that you must acquire to get your fATPL and type rating. It's the training costs and flexicrew that really need to be changed/abolished, not the salaries.

No, ManUtd1999, you are quite wrong.

The new salaries/jobs are £5k to £10k less that what the flexicrew earn. Hence the uproar.

They are not reasonable, and are only competitive with Wizzair. Which is fine, until you compare the cost of living in the UK (esp London) vs Poland.