Of the 90 commands at easyJet this year the AVERAGE time in the company was 4 years and 4 months for the 90.

Argue with the numbers.

Joining in your early to mid 20's and getting the big payrise (and twice as many job opportunities) before your 30's is, has and will be possible.


WWW

Really Annoyed
 

You do not have a clue what you are talking about. How do you know what I get paid?

If you are so sure that I earn less than an easy SFO, let's see the numbers. I don't think you are correct. You don't even know what my role is in my company.

So, before you go shouting your mouth off, DEC's will happen again in easyJet and I look forward to taking one.

Stop being so arrogant, answer my question. Why are DEC's being "tapped up" for jobs at easy by CTC?

It's gonna happen and to make people like you wait, I'll jump at the chance.

There you go, I tried to be civil, but you deserve to be told.... easyJet have since time immemorial,taken DEC's. Why stop now? Just because you think you are good enough? Get real. It's business, stupid.

a) You don't know WHO CTC might be acting on behalf. You are assuming it is ezy...

b) Placing a cheap ad to test the market is a long way from actually running interviews and sim check so don't run before your theory can even walk.

c) Making 'bold' claims about your future intentions to 'take' an easyJet DEC on an Internet discussion board, populated by people involved, whilst relying on anonymity is an 'interesting' approach.


I'll wager there will be no Permanent DEC's in Easyjet and I'll further wager stansdead that you won't get one. Sunshine. ;)


WWW

stansdead like Ashling I am not unsympathetic to your position. It may well be that you a competent, capable bloke - that is not the issue. EasyJet has so much going for it, despite some incredibly frustrating and largely unnecessary failings that could so easily be ironed out. Our world has improved considerably with the arrival of a new CEO and her removal of our dire Ops Director. Therefore, you are right to want to come here, because it has much to commend it compared to other airlines around. Nonetheless, we simply cannot be in the business of helping DECs fulfil their ambitions as long as we have any promotable FOs available from our own ranks. We should not be embarrassed in any way to first and foremost look after our own guys before we consider those outside. I am not a betting man, but it is one of the safest bets I know that you will not be getting a DEC at easyJet. Reading your petulant demands for that Command at easyJet, which for reasons that escape me you believe is owed you, is a truly uninspiring sight. There are literally hundreds of top FOs in the queue before you, and there are some powerful people out there who will fight tooth and nail to ensure they get there before carpetbaggers like yourself.

Major Cleve Saville - No one is asking you to work for low cost carriers - I actually quite like it, but that is just a personal choice. By the way, your little references to me in your posts make you sound more and more like a stalker by the moment - it really is not considered good form to do that sort of thing on here old chap, but if that is what floats your boat then do carry on. I am delighted you want to work for your current employer and that is just great. And if people want to leave easyJet after a few years then that is great too. In the meantime those that stay just need to ensure they are not royally stuffed by Uncle Tom Cobbly and all, who want to jump their place in life's queue.

Regarding stansdead's very interesting question about CTC's requirement to fill upcoming 'UK and European DEC A320 positions', I am as intrigued as he is. I have heard that they have various non-easyJet contracts on the go, but I also know they are in ongoing discussions with the Company. This is the downside of easyJet - happy, smiling faces across the table chatting away nicely to BALPA reps about how we must all work together to make easyJet wonderful. In the meantime, the very same people are doing dirty deals over beer and sandwiches with CTC to stuff us completely. Time will tell, but if DECs are introduced in the current climate, then major industrial strife will occur. I believe Carolyn McCall is too clever to risk the excellent raport she is building with the pilots over a foolish and totally unnecessary dispute.

FACT: Well I've been in Wizzair so I know what stansdead takehome is, even if he manages to 'avoid' paying tax the take-home is less than an SFO on the continent. Poland is a lot cheaper though!

Managers walk the tightrope in running a business trying to balance doing what is right, and what is necessary. Although the last two departed managers were doing what was necessary for their bonuses the current incumbents will, and I believe are, viewing the major part of our current "crew disconnect" and being largely solvable by crewing at the correct levels. If the training department can't train enough fast enough then there will likely be some DEC positions to plug the gap. Better that than contract captains which would set an unacceptable precedent.
My money is on a handfull of DECs this summer.

I believe Balpa members would prefer a handful of fixed term contract Training Captains over DEC's. As you say - it will be training capacity and not SFO numbers that will likely be the issue.

I only know of three Captains ever asked to leave/fired and they were all DEC's. It's like Forest Gumps chocolates - you never (really) know what you're going to get despite the best efforts of the recruitment team. Whereas SFO's with 4+ years in the company are a fairly well tasted chocolate and unlikey to turn into an Orange Creme in the LHS...

DEC's won't happen.


WWW

Does anybody know if BALPA are doing anything about the poor flexi-contracts?

Hey Folks someone:

(can't say who, but he is an EZY DEC who doesn't think DECs should not be allowed in EZY (except for him, 'cos he is special) but thinks EZY is, golly gosh, the bestest airline ever with the highest standards ever. Who wants F/Os to be promoted in turn, (except if he wants a command quick) but doesn't like the CTC ones 'cos he thinks CTC are evil, he wants nice F/O's magic'ed out of thin air that didn't cost anybody anything).

keeps referring to ME by name on this thread apparently that's bad form here on pprune! How do I protect my honour from his evil intent?

Yours in fear of an apparently (allegedly) complete stalker!!!

Major Cleve Saville

Stansdead, you have written in a wizzair thread what you make. You can do your own research about SFOs on the continent to find out that you are junior on the pay front. You got your command. Enjoy it. Be bitter if you like, but neither easyJet nor any other company owes you any DEC position, although you seem to think so.

I can't tell you why CTC is advertising for A320 captains as I do not work for CTC. I am sure they will tell you if you contact them.

Hey Folks someone:

(can't say who, but he is an EZY DEC who doesn't think DECs should not be allowed in EZY (except for him, 'cos he is special) but thinks EZY is, golly gosh, the bestest airline ever with the highest standards ever. Who wants F/Os to be promoted in turn, (except if he wants a command quick) but doesn't like the CTC ones 'cos he thinks CTC are evil, he wants nice F/O's magic'ed out of thin air that didn't cost anybody anything, and DEC's are all no good (except for him 'cos he is just sooo special).

keeps referring to ME by name on this thread apparently that's stalking and 'bad form here on pprune'! (it must be he says so!!). How do I protect my honour from his evil intent?

Yours in fear of an apparently (allegedly) complete stalker!!!

Major Cleve Saville

WWW,

You are a pompous fool. You dispense advice like you are the "sun king". You know absolutely nothing about whether I would or wouldn't get a DEC job at EZY. You are nobody. Sunshine...:ok:

Open Des,

I'm not a regular Captain - I'm lucky therefore, I pay full UK tax and I earn well above an SFO salary in EZY. In any base. And who says I'm in Poland?

Part of the problem with some of you is that you all think that you are, somehow, better than everyone else. Or better qualified. Well, I'd hazard a guess that you are not. For example, how many eJ pilots as a % number have any experience of commercial flying outside of even Europe? Heaven forbid even in the USA, Australia, Africa (proper Africa, not Morocco or Algeria)? About 20% maybe.

Don't worry though, with idiots like WWW to fly the flag from Bristol for you, you will of course be able to pretend you have more experience and ability than you really do.

As for SFO salaries. Have you clever chaps ever thought that eJ may force those in Spain to go to LGW at a month's notice - or whatever is required. Even with a relocation package, it will be cheaper to rebase those costly Euro contracts permanently. Welcome to DEC's elsewhere in your network.... when the euro contract was designed, the exchange rate was about 1.5 euro to a pound. Now it has been rebased - longterm - to between 1.1 and 1.2 it seems. Not sustainable. Enjoy your old euro contracts while they last boys and girls. The world has changed and you will have too as well......:D:D:D

Would that be 'Terry's Chocolate Orange'.........:ok:

Really annoyed.
 

People do get promoted. I have been. i earn a lot more now. Honestly.

Where did I ever say eJ owe me a Command? A lot of you guys obviously think that all your FO's are owed one though. It doesn't work that way though. Sorry...... it is business.

You obviously have no clue about the salaries and conditions on the continent, not that it should be of any concern to you of course. And in the highly unlikely case that I would be relocated I would be a rich man with the relocation package. :D I will then join Wizzair as DEC and trainer, I will be able to live on peanuts from then on.

DEC's are not going to happen btw!
(and if they do, since you're a rich man, you can pay me to be your reference)

Yeah, I am sure you know a lot more about easyJet than us in the company, Stansdead. I hope you can see how hollow it sounds when you try to toot your own horn about the greatness of wizzair while desperately trying to get people to think you would be a super asset as a DEC in easyJet. You took a gamble and lost. Deal with it instead of crying over it. However, there may be a spot for you in Major Seville's outfit.

Hi Stansdead,

(oh sorry just realised I mentioned you directly, not stalking you just a big manly matey first name greeting, honest!).

Come and join us but only if you want a UK Pound 6 figure package tax free. Be prepared to fly only 55-60 hours a months.

Oh, and be careful with the crockery your crew meal comes in it's expensive.

Oh, and we are looking for DEC's at the moment so www (sorry not stalking, honest) and voldemort (can't mention his name stalking or sexual harrasment or something, anyway very bad form here on this oracle of absoloute fact:=), and co. won't apply on principle apparently.

Oh, I almost forgot you have a chance to change fleets if you fancy longhaul at some point.

Oh, and another thing nearly 2 months leave every year.

Oh people will say hello and call you by your name and smile at you too.

Oh if only I could work for easyJet mmm, do I smell a big dripping pile of ....roast?

Major C. Saville.

Anyone else dreading the day where we have to sit up front with this character?

He is certainly a bitter little man!

Really Annoyed
 

You are really annoyed aren't you?

Why did I take a gamble and lose? Your argument doesn't stack up.

The reason you're really annoyed is because you know there is a real chain of your worst fears being realised. DEC's.

You work for a business, not a charity. If it makes good financial sense to employ well qualified, professionals (who aren't quite as annoyed as you are), your paymasters will do just that.

Deal with it.

As for my gamble: gained a Command, been promoted, would like to utilise it in UK or somewhere in Western Europe. That's all. No more. You made this personal by your puerile desire to protect your hallowed ground. Grow up.