Norman, I think you are both pulling in different directions - because you sound like you have given up despite some of your words. Mike still sounds defiant against this crap. Norman, you don't owe anyone anything apart from yourself and your family if you have one. But, since you are one of the more vocal and approachable Easy trainers on here (though all trainers I know in person at Easy are very, very, very, very nice people) can I please ask, if there is any way, any how, you can try and stay focussed on this, don't lose energy on it, please do something otherwise I fear myself and my colleagues and the futures of proper people who wish to become, and continue to be a pilot for an airline, are numbered because of the selfish, mother-:mad:ing, cras, selfish, terribly thick, useless shells of human beings that wish to pursue this 'scheme'. If you possibly can please do your best to not let it happen it would be very well appreciated and very well respected. There has to at the very least be some middle ground.

Did you not hear what Clanger said? After offering this sh1t and seeing the unprecedented, ludicrous, laughable amount of desperate lemmings that displayed an interest, the terms dropped and the price went up.

No one lose energy on this, you'll be as good as a quitter. Don't stand by and let bad things happen. Don't just accept this crap.

In the game awhile, yes...a very long time.
As for the salary, sorry, no.
It increases every year simply because the type I presently fly has very few still currently active FD crew available (especially experienced Captains) so...what I demand, I get.

Airline bosses have figured out a long time ago that they can screw(salary, training-wise) the new guys/gals, and get away with it.
Repeatedly.

It is unlikely to change, in the short-medium term.
My advice?
Get used to it.

I am led to believe that Loganair have just put three FI's from Tayside Aviation on a TR for the SAAB, so what mikecr says could be right:ok:

Tayside Aviation ! ! at last a little bit of "feelgood" factor for Crimbo. I guess the "Gillespie factor" is alive and well? or they just recognised the calibre of the folk from there :rolleyes: :D he says , ever so modestly.

To all that passed by Lovats hallowed hangar, all the best for 2010. :ok:


Sorry, seriously off topic there. . . . BTW, Norman ,try and forget all this horrible horrible stuff at least long enough to get trashed for Christmas, like a "real" Scotsman ;)

New Year Wish.
 

The best thing that could happen in 2010 is that CTC, OAA, Eagle Jet and the other rip-off merchants all go to the wall. The airlines would then be forced to slowly re-absorb the experienced pilots over the next 5-6 years. T & C's would gradually stop declining too.

Aside from the irrelevant concept of fairness, there exists a gross imbalance in experience between left and right seat in many of the today's carriers, and consequently safety is threatened. There is no more room for inexperienced type-rated pilots, quite the reverse. Yet still they come.

No airline will voluntarily hire more expensive employees as First Officers when the possibility exists to make money from people who although qualified have zero experience and precious little airmanship to fall back on. (Even the talented ones.)

Sully got it right, but as an American, his views carry little weight with the biased and avaricious UK media. The state of play today is increasing danger for the airline passenger, caused by greed of the training organizations, airlines, and ultimately passengers. Stelios and O'Leary have much to answer for. And the world is not about to reverse it's catastrophic direction.

I fear that it will take a few aviation disasters before my wish starts to come true.

Flapsfullretard,

I think you know that Easy have a long list of people chapping on the door so I wouldn't hold your breath.

:confused:

Yeah have to agree with the above, even seeing it on a screen you still get a strong smell of BULLS**T. Now if you put COST above safety and drop the integrity we have the actual 5 toothpicks of Easy.:=:=:=:(

I only partly agree. As Johann Wolfgang von Goethe once said about slavery: None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free...

Sure, you are 'free' to sign a bad deal but the problem is that people don't get the full picture because of all this bullsh!t propaganda about "integrity," "teamwork" and "passionate."

As I've been preaching for years: this is not a career airline, a fact which is crystal clear to anyone who is able to look beyond the orange propaganda and bullsh!t.

Unfortunately it appears that some people want to be brainwashed, some people want to be enslaved and some people want to cling onto the hope that 'good cop' Andy will make all the bad cops go away. Keep on hoping! As we all know: hope dies last... :oh:

I hate to say "I told you so" but hey, here it goes: I TOLD YOU SO!!!

He may have pinched the sentiment from Jean Jacques Rousseau.

" Man was born free, and he is everywhere in chains. Those who think themselves the master of others are indeed greater slaves than they."

The Social Contract 1762

God, please, no!!!!!
 

First of all, Pilots who run airlines.....

.....then pilots who want to run airlines, who are, really, philosophers.

"we're doomed!!!!!!" - Fraser, "Dad's Army", BBC circa 1979.

Safety - Noun
Teamwork - Noun
Pioneering - Gerund
Passionate - Adjective
Integrity - Noun

Very smooth. Who rites this? Illiterates?

deleted for use of no nonsense.

As opposed to one who will happily quote from a hackneyed telly programme, a real scholar.

Priceless.:D

al446,

It's called irony you saddo.

What's up? Loan repayments getting on top of you?

tell me guys,

how do you get the money for integrated and easyjet scheme?

60k+30+10 or 15K for food...over 100k?

how do you pay back and when?
what banks give you the money knowing the student will probably file bankrupt.

what's the point to fly 70 hours and be out? to go where? KLM, BA, Luft???

explain me!

Well, DUH! That's the whole point Sherlock! If this needs explaining, then you are either missing some IQ points, or you are just perfect for the average low-cost airline! ;)

p.s. isn't it marvelous how airlines can mix the contradicting requirements for safe aircraft operators on one hand, yet on the other hand want people to be totally reckless with zero situational awareness when it comes to money and T&C's? :ugh:

It's pointless bitching about this, the morons will have already begun their TRs. It's done. Close the thread. You missed the boat Easyjet big guns. It's very much your loss.

I have advised all of my family and friends not to fly with the airlines that do pay to fly such as mytravel, bmi etc.

Will be adding easyjet to that list.

Whats to stop some rich daddys boy from nigeria throwing a ton of money at such a scheme and getting potentially dangerous people sat at the front of british airliners!? MADNESS!!!!

fischerflyer
 

Agree totally. Perhaps the letter will look like this? - try and read in a West African scammers accent if you can;



Dear Sir Mr Wanabee,

Felicitations and most generous blessings to you and your gracious family at this most Christmas time.

It brings to me great honour to inform you that you have been selected as a winner in the easyJet Airlines plc, pay to fly, grand lottery (UK inc.).

The winners of this scheme do stand to the glorious benefit of Many, countless, millions of riches in British Pounds, Euros and maybe other currencies.

To avail yourself of these bountiful glories, you must first process to me a payment of £34,000. After the succesful process of your funds, the money milking training establishment at easyJet airlines plc/OAA will send you your entry to Nirvana continually in the abundant shape of an empty Airbus A319 rating.

The glorious and beneficial holder to this glorious adornment to the blue book will have the full right to be an easyJet contract pilot!!! Imagine!!! The terms and conditions are most excellent indeed!!! Nowhere in my imagination can I believe I can sleep 3 to a room. Only 3!! Such bountiful, blessed luck from the Lord.

Anyway, most best regards to you and I look forward to sharing with you, your most deserved and hard earned rewards from all your years of travails and labours to now.

With my prevailing best regards and soft landings (for me anyway),


Mr A.Leech

Spokesman, OAA Scheming Department

Please send remittance in British Currency to:

The Managing Director
Oxford Cash Bank
Kidlington
Oxon

Acc:12345678
S/C: 34-000.00
Ref: Mugs


Risk disclaimer: Please most definitely, please ignore this letter if:

a) You have any experience of previous scams;
b) you have recovered the use of your sanity after being brainwashed, or;
c) can spot a really **** deal at 1000 paces with your back turned and eyes shut.