Air Arabia Morocco
 

Goodafternoon,
I've been called for interview in october, any help regarding interview, t&c, living and housing in Casa, transportation, roster and so on will be really appreciated.

Many tks.

Hi ,

About living in Moroc , you have a good explanation here.

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...eign-f-os.html

I am also living here. Expect 1500€ minimum to live here by yourself. If you add some airline tickets to go home during your off duties...

About the company ....it`s a start up with all the inconviniences related to it..

Expect to pay 38% in taxes....No way to by pass it...

A place to be waiting for the end of the crisis in Europe..

Tks A-3TWENTY,
may I ask you how's about the average salary for a first officer, and if can you expect a quick upgrade to capt.?

Many thanks.

how many hours you have?

Almost 7k.

think twice
 

1) forget the command course
2) 600€/ monthly to rent a car

Renting a car in Casablanca is waste of money.
There are a very professional and cheap taxi services there with highly skilled drivers. You gonna feel safe:eek:

Would you care to elaborate?

Hi,

Don`t expect a command course here , because we fly with validation. Even if you get an upgrade in your license , morocan authorities will only give you a validation for a capt.position if you have more than 500 hrs. in the left seat...so , despite what they say...don`t believe it...

Salary for F/O `s go to Air Arabia Careers in Air Arabia Maroc

Waste of money to rent a car??? You are kiding !!! The cheap taxis(Petit taxis) don`t go to the airport which is 35 Km far from the city.

You will really use the house allowance.8000 dirhams(700 euros) if you want a house for yourself. Maybe less if you share.

130 euros for water , gaz , light ,net , etc

600 euros to rent a car

I said that the cost of life here is 1500 euros/month , and this is true for me because I share an apartment. If you live by yourself , spouse , expect the double.

Roaster....well....:{:{:{:ugh::ugh::ugh::yuk::yuk::yuk:

You are paid in dihams , so or you get all your money and change it in the black market or expect to lose some 300 euros in currency and transfer to Europe via bank.

I hope I helped....

Quality of life here....Bad...If you are not flying , you have nothing to do .Nothing.

99% of us are here looking for a job and /or waiting the end of the crisis.



A-3TWENTY

Do you mean left seat of a multi-crew aircraft or the actual type (320) ?

Hello A 3TWENTY

I was kidding in my post about the taxi service.
But between us: Jobs in Europe? Only in more or less 5 years.Relax:cool:
So dont you have nothing to do beyond flying??Even girls?:}

Many tks A-3TWENTY,

You gave me a sharp view.
As you can imagine some of us with plenty of hours on bus are looking for an upgrade, so you can work in "non ideal" conditions for a while in order to get to, but with no possibility is really tough to leave your present job, even if on the rhs.

Regards.

TripleEng,

With plenty of RHS hours, Wizz will likely upgrade you in a year.

Have you applied?

Of course mate.
Still waiting, tks.

This is an Air Arabia issue. The DAC has happily agreed in the very recent past to have proper upgrading courses approved. Has been done in Jet4you several times without any trouble.

Another Air Arabia issue. They can very easily assist you in applying for the Residence Permit (Carte Sejour) and you have to open a Dirham convertible account with a bank. With your Working permit the bank will convert the incoming money happily to Euro and you can transfer it anywhere you want. This applies to direct employed crew as well as to contractors.

Poor man, this country has a lot to offer. Sure, it is not running in to you, it is you who needs to want to see it. Sitting in Casa and waiting for the next duty will not help; open your eyes and discover the country, there are charming places, even not too far from Casa.

Another Air Arabia issue; 8J and 8A are paying 1000€, still not enough in Casa to cover all costs, but it helps a lot.

Air Arabia is the only company which does not provide transport to the airport. Under your condition you need a car. But, consider a leasing with a manufacturer, a 12 months rental equals to the price of a new Dacia....and you have at least not wasted your money. There are not many well maintained used cars available, your car will be on the market at high value and will be sold easily. Waiting to find a new job will make this option however not very feasible.

The job market will get better next year but, there will be many who still may have to wait another year until the situation improves to allow for better choices. A lot of people will have to stick to what they have now. Air Arabia is not the best place to be as it seems. To cope with this, you need to get a life out of this, otherwise your work and private life will quickly deteriorate. If you want (have to) stay, grab what you can and find the goodies for you.

Good luck.

Hi Nightrider ,

1. About the upgrades in Jet4you , I didn`t know.May be this is also valid for AA.

2. AA does not assist you in anything.You are left at your own even if you don`t speak french which is the case of most of us.

3.Yes , you can open a convertible account and bla ,bla,bla. But the currency at the bank is very expensive and the cost of an international transfer is expensive too.
What I do is to change in the black market and take it with me to Europe in the pocket.You will save much money.

A-3-TWENTY

I`ve heard the 4th plane is not coming anymore to GMMN hub.
And the CEO at Casablanca (JB) has left.

True???

check your PM

Hi ,

Check your PM

I am interested as well on a update of what is going on!
Are they getting some more A/C soon?

Thanks

is it true that AAM looking for moroccan pilots? do they hire low timers?
in my case: a moroccan lowtimer born and raised in Europe. who would love to go back to morocco.
i would like to get in contact with AAM pilots in Morocco.
any information is welcome!

jet4you is looking for moroccan pilots and i think air arabia as well. Are you type rated or not? Even atlas blue i thinks is looking for pilots . The best advice i can give you is go by yourself to the airlines and speak to them directly , this is the best way it works in africa

All those companies are looking for moroccan pilots , because this is the only way of treat people like **** and keep them.

But the problem is there are no experienced moroccan pilots around.At AAM there is only one who quit easyjet by a promise of the LHS.It`s still a FO and will continue to be. Although they promise everybody the left seat , no one was moved up till now. And they have good FOs ,some with 6000-7000 hours.

Someone wrote that the best way is to go there personaly....If you want to know the country , ok. If you want to speak with them ..They are nice to speak with , but they will be lieing most of the time and looking at your eyes.

Pilots there are struggling for a better roaster.They want two blocks of 5 days or 1 of 10 to be able to go home (commute). This is possible there because everytime you fly you do between 7 and 10 hours of block time. So even with this scheme of roaster pilots would be able to fly 90,100,105 hours a month which is normal here.
But they like to have 4,5 pilots on stand by to cover a total of 6 flights a day.
And also , since Casablanca has nothing to do , they know that if they call someone in his day off , people will fly because it`s better than spending a day doing nothing in Casa.

They are always saying that they will change the roaster , they ask pilots to work on it and make them a presentation of the new roaster , but everytime , at the very last moment they cancel the meeting or sometimes they hear you but do nothing.You speak in deaf ears.

They are there about 30 pilots and I can tell you that about 15 of the original group have already left.The other half is waiting for improvments in europe.The company is aware of people`s intention to move because this is not a secret for anybody.Managers were told about that directly, but they don`t care.There is just one moroccan who doesn`t want to leave. The group is very demotivated.

Casablanca is not as cheap as people use to think.AAM is the only one company which does not provide transportation to the airport which is 35Km from the city, so you have to rent a car or buy one.The rental costs you 500 euros a month .An apartment will cost you from 800 euros.GAs, food,internet,water , light etc will take you more 700.If you want to add some night life ,cost will increase a lot since this is a muslim country , so alcohol is accepted , but expensive. Average monthly expenses are from 2000 euros.

Payments are done in dirhams, so you have to transfer to your country or change it in the black market (to minimize costs) and take it home in the pocket. Jet4you and atlasblue pay you via broker more money and give you transportation. Hotel if you want(but then you don`t get accomodation allowance).

Tried to cover everything.In my opinion , if you are not employed , go. If you have a job.....stay where you are.Sure it`s better.


A320

Guys,

Thank you very much for your feedback.
I am not TypeRated.

My roots are in Marrakech. So I would love to go back there and start with AB. But AB is getting there pilots from the RAM-academy :uhoh:. Perhaps it is a good idea to go there and visit them. And like A-3twenty said, they alway stay polite and will never hurt your feelings by telling you something that you would not like to hear.:uhoh:

But it is and stays Morocco. It is a country that says: it is not only what you know/can but who you know. :cool:
So If someone can share with me some names and phonenumbers please send me a PM. :ok:

If you got other tips, please don't hesitate to contact me!

Bahja77,

Be careful of the lies, jaleousy and lack of analysis of some people on this forum particularly of A3Twenty.

There are two Moroccans in the company now (and not only one as A-3Twenty mentioned). Another one should join soon.

The company did not promise any captain upgrade for anybody before joining a year ago (to the contrary to what A-3Twenty mentioned again). The company started a year ago and his focus is to settle down before thinking of upgrade. However, the upgrade captain program is on the way thanks to the new Training Manager.

The salary is pretty good for FO. For Captain it is average. However we all have received an increase. Indeed a part of our salary is paid based on the flight hours. We are paid credit hours now instead of actual hours which lead to an increase

The roster is a problem and the company makes efforts to improve the roster. For this they have charged a captain to make sure a good roster will come out.

A-3Twenty has certainly be fired by AAM for incompetence


Ciao

@A3X0:
Anonymous Posting is always an issue at this kind of forums
But thank you for your info

@ektal3c: Merci, check yours!

Carrying on regarding the lies of A3Twenty...

There is not 15 pilots who have left but 9. Some for familial reasons, some for country reasons, some for roster and some for money....

Few have been fired for attitude or incompetence (when the company started a year ago it was done in a rush and they did correspond to what the company was looking for for the long term)

Some wanted to leave because they have been here because they wanted to be in Morocco but because they have been fired by the previous airline in Europe.

Moroccans are not treated like ****. Everybody is treated the same way.

At Casablanca you can do alot of things (again to the contrary of what A3Twenty stated). It is on the atlantic coast with temperature varying between 10 and 30. You can do all the sports you want (Surf, tennis, football, rugby, sailing, horse....), there is enough good restaurants, night life, excursion to Marakech, Rabat, Aljadida, plenty of shops, cinema, concerts, people are very friendly and the Moroccan food is excellent....what else do you want?

Ciao

Hey A3X0,

about Casablanca or Casá according to moroccans,you forgot to mention the pollution, the corruption,the traffic jam, the dirtiness...........:yuk:

Some more questions:

just a matter of interest for those who are flying for thevery begining of the company, do you think things are improving (if yes is it in a good way)???

How come a F/O with Jet4U get upgrades and not in AA? they don't fly with valiation? special derogation?

Future of AA! are they waiting for more planes soon?


Thanks again

OUUUPPS I lost the begining of my message, but basically it was saying that there are good and bad things in every companies and countries.
You just need to do your own choices and a forum like this should be done for that purpose, give extra info to help in making those choices
Well I am a bit optimistic, when I see some agressive posts on this forum but anyway I think it should be that way..

Nevermind to get some more info I have decided to go there on Holidays with the family end of june, begining of july.
I would like to meet guys flying AA so we can have a chat and a couple of beers..;)

Just PM me if you are around and want to share you experience

there is enough good restaurants, night life,......... plenty of shops, cinema, concerts, people are very friendly and the Moroccan food is excellent

now that is funny....:ok::ok::ok:

Morrocco - great place to live!

Will these airlines take on European low houred cadets???

I stand to be corrected, but I think for Morocco DAC Validation you need 400 hours on type.
Sorry

A3X0
 

Looking at previous threads by A3TWENTY.....
What is for sure is that he is constantly changing companies.....being fired.....he is only a very angry, unsatisfied and unhappy man......
He has really been writing some offensive stuff. Anyhow....AA is not the first company he throws **** on. Casa is absolutely not that boring and AA is not that bad to work for.
......where is A3TWENTY working now?.....would be good to know....

Hi all,

Just wondering...More than 2000 total time, and 900 on type is good enough for AAM? Thinking about applying by the end of the summer...

Regards

GS

Sorry for that but i do not think is a layer. Actually company is doing some promises with no result. It's only a carrot for everybody. roster nothing, credits hours nothing, upgrades, sorry for that but they say that they are working on it , no results, treatment for crews it is a joke.
About the country corruption be ready to pay all police you find, dirty city, expensive for nothing to do apart stay at home.
But what is true is that they are working to improve and to make life easy.
A joke of course.

GSmini, I am applying for this position for over a year now. The only way I know how to, is through their online system. Have a little more hours... Never had a response..
Regards M

Blackhouse...It`s useless...
 

There are always balls sucker around...

My contribution to this forum was just to enlight those who are willing to go there. Of course there are always people to every kind of jobs.

IT`s easy to see that even there ,there are happy people (A3XO and rotation72). And I`m happy for them. I hope they stay there for long.The longer they stay there the less the risk of having a coleague which satisfy himself with peanuts.

By the way, all those promises mentioned by the wanabe chiefs are still promises.Like in the very begining.

For those who want to know where I am... I just can say that I`ve got one of the best contracts in the world ,but , no thank you , I don`t want you as coleague again.

:ok::ok:

Thanks Michi!