Contact Brookfield Aviation regarding being a conract F/O. I don't think they are part of the fast track program. As far as I know, that's with FR only.

Eole, in my opinion Brookefield contract pilots are better off, specially after their new agreement. The main problem is that you don´t have a basic salary and that can be a problem if you go sick, although you can solve the issue with a nice insurance. If I had the choice I would go for it. Just bare in mind that in case of command upgrade, they will probably force you into a ryanair contract.

My son is a Ryanair contractor and as a Capt. he gets EURO 125 per scheduled block hour. He came through from being a Brookfield FO to a Capt with Ryanair 18 months ago. He works 850 plus hours a year for them and I helped him fill in his tax return and he made approx EURO 104,000 gross in 2005.
They have given him a base in Stansted which suits him. He has been offered a base in Dublin, Rome and Bergamo over the last month. He has to pay 4.50 per hour deduction which includes his SIM and other items.
I loaned him half the money for his type rating and we are very proud of him and the way he paid us and the bank back over the last 3 years.
My son's best friend finished his Type rating last week in CAE and is being base trained by Ryanair in East Midlands on next Thursday. His folks are travelling over for the event. A big day for proud parents!
He plans to go and work for Ryanair on a Brookfield contract. He has high Jar25 hours so will get EURO 65 per scheduled hour while an FO. He will be in Dublin - so his folks keep an eye on him while he pays back his loans!
They both seem to enjoy Ryanair so far and the older one says things are improving day by day. I know this will invite flames from some other PPruners but I can only share one families experience.
I have two other children who I paid for their College education. This cost almost as much as helping the lad with the Type Rating. The pilot son is earning far more than the two college kids ever will. My wife and I saw it as a good investment.

Ryanair
 

thebrother,
Congratulations - it's nice to see a father proud of their children's achievements.
It's a good income for a presumably relatively young chap. The problem is your son may come to feel that it's not sunstainable as Ryanair at present is not a career airline.
- The days are very long and exhausting (12 hours of flight duty off a 0430am start and 4 sectors 5 days in a row)
- It's very hard to get leave when you want (need) it
- You fly 900 hours in 9-10 months (so no income for 2-3 months on contract)
- No pension
- Hideous, bullying management
- Cabin crew are down-trodden and generally unhappy - v. high turnove
- Cadet S/Os struggling to survive for the first year or so
While I was at Ryanair I rarely met anyone who'd been with them for more than 2 years - they just burn you out.
It's only worth going contract if you don't pay taxes - otherwise UK perm is the highest paying option.
IMHO, better to get onto a seniority list with an airline you're happy to be with for the long term and not be seduced by the short-term higher wage packet.
Just my take on it, all the best.

Ryanair TRE pay
 

Please can someone tell what a UK based Ryanair TRE could expect to get as 'take home' pay per month.

Also do TRE's work the 5 on, 4 off and how is that going.

Does the Company pay motor mileage from base to the Sim and if so at what rate.

Any other relevant info much appreciated.

You would probably be better of contacting RYR directly, or Brookfield Aviation, if you are contemplating a contract postion.

Not interested in contract work - Rynair are advertsing for DE TRE's on their website which is why I posed my question above

thebrother

I am delighted for your situation with your son and no, I will not pour cold water on your delight.

I will say though for every story like yours there are many many more negative ones.
As for the 'good investment', it probably costs €110,000 euro plus (just guessing) to get into the right hand seat with RYR.

Recent new f/o's are being made take a contract position and it works out at about €35,000 p.a. with no pension, no health insurance, no uniform provided, no loss of liscence, no pay whatsoever if out sick. Absolutely NOTHING else. FACT.
Hardly a good investment.

I am sorry but I will not be contradicted on a point, taking a job with RYR as an f/o is not a good financial investment. If we do it for the love of flying that is something different. An investment, NO.

Six months and you'll be a Base Trainer.

12 months and he'll be Chief Executive at this rate.

You can tell that from the quite remarkably different experience your relatives seem to have from that of other Ryanair pilots, especially the Second Officers, I have been speaking to. In fact the difference is quite remarkable. Well done family <brother>!

the brother;

Looking at the market, i.e. a massive shortage of captains,and other comparable airline salaries, how can you be satisfied with gross 104,000 euros? No pension, no sick pay, no holidays, no guarantee of work, no fringe benefits at all? Sweat shop slave labour in the wider market place.

Captjns, Cipri, Thebrother,
Thank you for your answer, It’s help me a lot to make my choices.
So according to what I read on many threads, despite that you have no basics salary, contractors get a much better salary than pilots on Fr contracts.
Thanks again for all your advice

Ryanair Assessment Day
 

Hi Guys and Gals,

Just been invited to the Ryanair assessment day at East Mids, can anyone tell me what to expect, what the day consists of, do I need to brush up on any JAR subjects etc......Much appreciated (1000hrs Q400 currently employed as FO with Flybe)!!!!

Thanks in advance

endofeng:)

ps looking for LPL as base, anyone think this will be achievable?

Do a search...
About LPL base - Yes, absolutely achievable. Lots of contractors being sent there due to vacancies

Visit www.repaweb.org

re: Visit www.repaweb.org

Isn't that site just for existing pilots of ryanair, not pilots trying to join??????

Correct,but you could look up a "guide for prospective ryanair pilots" on pprune somewhere.which i believe is derived from repaweb and a very enlightening read.good luck.don't forget your checkbook.

ryr assessement
 

endofeng hello, 28 06 2006

basically 3 things: -sim ride b737-200
-technical questions
-motivation interview with hr person

about sim ride: every needed info is written on the wallboard in the briefingroom. you have about 20min's to absorb this info & the problem then consists in reproducing this in the sim. if your basic flyingskills are ok there shouldn't be a problem. previous b737-200 experience is a +, but don't be afraid if you have none, as the sim instructor takes this into account.

about tech questions: if you are type rated, some not too difficult general things about systems & limitations. otherwise some general aeronautical stuff,
like: being shown a vor/dme approachplate of dublin: how do you fly a non precision approach?

about motivation interview: you will be asked why do you want to join ryanair?

within two days you will be notified yes or no.
finding the sim building is the first hurdle when you arrive at ema.

One way to think of the Ryanair "assessment" is that it is far from being the same as an "assessment" in other organisations. If you keep your wits about you it can be seen that hopes and expectations play an important role - the role that is played by a thing called "an employment contract" in most airlines.

The Ryanair assessment is part of a recruitment / business process which leads to you paying for a type-rating in the hope / expectation of a job. When you pay for that type-rating your money is gone - pass or fail. Also type-ratings are not provided by the airline, but by training intermediaries. You certainly will not be given a contact guaranteeing you employment. Assessment and providing type-rating to prospective pilot employees is not necessarily linked to employment in Ryanair.

Note that the sim type-rating check ride may not take place until a few weeks or - frequently - many months after you completed the simulator training for the rating. During that period you will be unpaid, but will be expected to turn up as and when required, pay for your hotel, etc. Being upaid continues until after your line training is almost finished.

All of this time - which many pilots report as taking well over a year - YOU fork out money, not them. When you get to see a contract and an employment reality that does not quite measure up to what you expected from the stories you heard. You also learn the bitter reality that you cannot do anything about the hole you find yourself in. Most find it easier to believe the stories about rapid promotion being the way to recover their financial situation.

When you go to EMA for your assessment try to find people who are well into this game and hear what they have to say. In particular try to find out just how many people have paid for a rating and are "awaiting line training" (there are a LOT). You can then do a bit of "assessing" for yourself.

What I can tell you is that there is no shortage of people prepared to sign up for this nonsense - which will help you self-justify doing exactly the same thing. Just pray that you don't become one of the losers in this little game - and there are most definitely are losers.

Remember that none of this is being done to help you get into aviation - Ryanair is exactly the opposite of helpful and philanthropic. Take a very hard look at what is on offer .... what is certain and what is unclear.

Atse - the backlog in training has largely been cleared and pilots are no longer experiencing delays in line training or getting a check ride.

Also new pilots are paid from the first day of training, so even if there is a delay it is not "unpaid" as you state.

Finally the employment contract is signed by both parties before type rating training commences, so you're statement "You certainly will not be given a contact guaranteeing you employment. Assessment and providing type-rating to prospective pilot employees is not necessarily linked to employment in Ryanair" is completely false.

You're entitled to your opinion but please get your facts right.