There is a search function: type in Ryanair and you get more than you bargained for :\

Junior
Just a thought, grow up before you play with the big boy, you will get eaten alive.

Take a brookfield contract
They just got all of them 5 ON 4 OFF based and 10 % increase salary the goooooood boys
Don't believe the figures given in the ads for the ryanair contracts
But the most important thing, don't join with too many expectations or requests in your mind like a certain base e.g. except to get a good type rating and rapid experience to sell yourself somewhere else
Good luck

I cant´t believe people still think it´s a great idea to join Ryanair as a stepping stone towards one of the more respected carriers.

Wake up guys: There are already hundreds of Ryanair pilots looking for jobs with better airlines. There is not gonna be room for all of you. Be prepared to be stuck there for a while if you join.

Just a point. A few years ago a BRK contract pilot had 5/5 roster. They received allowances for all flying days to cover expenses. There was then a change to 5/3 and an allocated base. (didn't matter if you lived there or not and still incurred expecnses.) This resulted, based on 900hrs pa, in a loss of net income (allowances) of 9000euros pa. It would seem that they been given a 5/4 roster, which is worse than their original 5/5 and the 10% pay rise will give them back 10260 (based on 900 hrs). Thus the pay rise is really 1260euros. As the 10260 is salary and taxable it is much less than the non-taxable 9000euros which was taken away, and the days off are less than original. So is this such a good deal relative to the T's & C's of 3 years ago?

5/4 is now based

Ryanair SXF Road Show
 

Well it looks like quite a few of the local B737 pilots have started getting email invitations for screening etc, already just one day after the end of ILA.:ugh: :=


One rumour about is that Ryanair are examining the potential of a Berlin base, (I have heard it from two places before and after the show).????? :rolleyes: Is the truth out there? Anyone on the islands heard anything as well? If they did open a base I am sure there would be several local operators very rapidly in the brown stuff. T&C’s are one thing basing’s are another:E


If BBI ever comes there will not be the cost base for the likes of Ryan/Easy/Germanwings/HLX…… does this mean the Finow may become Ryan’s Berlin North?:E :E :ok:

Why not? Getting 2 Aircraft per month as a average then you need to fill the seats quickly as the expansion is on full throttle. Better then sitting on the street or working for a outfit where you have to fear if you get your money at the end of the month and if all checks are done properly.

Fly safe land happy

NG

Fala sério! Vai pra Gol...

hello whats RBA???:ugh:

Either it's "Right Bl@#$y Atrocious" or Royal Bunei Airlines; or both.

TA I met a pilot yesterday who joined Ryanair after reading various warnings here on pprune. Because of the warnings he asked several times about sector pay and even got the terms in writing BEFORE joining. He has now discovered that "what he was told was a mistake" - that he is not entitled to what he was told and they are not willing to do any more for him. As he says, this means going to court, or accepting it. He knows that most people accept it and does not know what to do.

So, what decision did you make? If you joined Ryanair maybe you could tell us if anything like this has happened to you?

Why is anyone with any experience whatsoever contemplating working for Ryanair? When I read posts like the one from delwy, it just staggers me that such unscrupulous employers exist. The culture of lies and confrontation comes straight from the top and runs through every level of the company. Even reading Ryanair's hard-nosed attitude to mistakes in this week's Flight International confirmed my thoughts about the company. I understand that for a first job you have to take what you can get, but if you have any sort of a choice why would you go there? When so many other companies are recruiting there can surely be no choice.

NSF the reality is that they do join. Another reality is that some join knowing about the manipuation but thinking that it is exaggerated, while others think that any job is worth it - whatever may happen. Others have no idea. Ryanair knows and exploits this. It is called "the market" and Ryanair consider it has its own morality, driven by the greed or desperation of those who wish to apply. The reality is that there is nothing much that can be done about it, is there?

Hi Delwy
can you be more precise on the things your colleague is not entitled to??
I have a couple of former colleagues who are working for Ryan at different bases, no complaints so far, I just notice that some have 5/4 and some 5/3.But this must have something to do with the base that pilots rejected the 5/4 thing because they would have to go on their simchecks on their off days.
If you ask me why i am interested in Ryan is, the salary sounds ok to me, at least 30% more than at swiss european.
There is options for upgrades, at Swiss there is 60 downgrades.
5/4/5/4 sounds fantastic to me plus 29 days holidays.At Swiss we work 6/2 or 3/1. 30 days holidays but you almost dont get them.
900 hrs same same.
The options of 16 diff. bases in europe, at least on long term is great.:hmm:
So please let me know more facts,I havent started working for them.
regards
TA

delwy - there is something that can be done about it. This is a classic case of the need for union representation. At the end of the day you must decide as individuals whether you want the situation to continue indefinitely. Are you willing to fight or do you just want to submit yourselves to liars, cheats and yobs? You are 'looked after' by one of the weakest regulatory bodies in the western world, the IAA, and you therefore cannot rely on them for any support whatsoever. The pressing need here is for organisations such as BALPA to represent your interests. I am aware of the valiant efforts of REPA but ultimately you need to gather sufficient over support to form an overt trade union. I hope you are successful.

Stormin' Norman goes off piste.
 

Well hello, Norman. Not like you to wet your beak in Ryanair affairs. Must be feeling a bit perky after your little pay rise. Now for all those pesky "lifestyle issues", eh? Do let me know how you get on, won't you, turning your loss making Orange Airline into a career one?

Meanwhile, a few salient points for you to reflect upon. Much as I know how disinclined you are to absorb tales of success in the market we share, and much as I know you're a dyed-in-the-wool union apologist, it really doesn't do, Norman, to rattle the cage with untruths and bluster. Engaging the likes of Delwy, our Callow Aloue and Didimus in a rousing chorus of "we shall not be moved" does you no credit and is naught more than preaching to the choir in any case. Misery loves company, after all, which is why unions exist in the first place, no? And all this from an Captain of Easyjet, an airline with a market cap of a piddling 1.36 billion quid, trading at an eye-watering multiple of 32.5 times, facing unhedged fuel north of 70 bucks a barrel for God knows how much longer and losing money at least six months of the year! Wow, Norman. Now that's truly courageous solidarity for ya!

Naughty of you not to mention in your BALPA recruiting campaign that your Orange Trolley Dollies are warming up for a summer of discontent because they want what the pilots got. July, isn't it? Naughtier still not to mention that BALPA are, to put it mildly, selective champions, Norman, and will drop you faster than an Arab's used condom when the mood suits or a more pressing cause presents. Just ask those long suffering F/O's at GSS how they feel about BALPA when a direct conflict with their masters at Willy Walsh Airlines raises its ugly head. The truth is always such an inconvenience, Norman, when doctrine and dogma collide, isn't it.

Thin Albert, as you've probably gathered so far, there are a number of folks hereabouts who like nothing more than to cast aspersions on Ryanair in an attempt to denigrate it as an employer. They have what you might call a vested interest in trying to make sure people stay away from Ryanair, and they do this by telling fibs. They also like to suggest that Ryanair is somehow responsible for everything from third world debt to athlete's foot, and that all the Ryanair pilots are very unhappy and hate their jobs. They aren't, and we're not.

Nothing could be further from the truth. I'm a Ryanair captain and I can tell you life is good. I earn a mountain of dough for doing what I love and the 5 on 4 off deal is tremendous. Its on the table for all new entrants, and yes, you'll have to do your 4 days annual recurrence training on your days off, but perhaps you, like I, will decide that its a small price to pay for 4 days off in a row. Feels more like a part time job, actually. Ultimately, Albert, make your own decision, but do make sure its a fully informed one, and not unduly flavoured by a vinegar-titted vocal minority who wouldn't know happiness if it drove up their arse in a truck.

Norman Stanley Fletcher
Simple. Most people with experience want decent rosters and decent money and generally that's what Ryanair offer.

I've said it before but it beggars belief that anyone from easyjet could look down their nose at Ryanair! Have YOU worked for both?:ugh:

Leo, I don’t agree with your sentiments but I do enjoy your posts and I find your enthusiasm for the company inspirational. 5 years ago when I joined Ryanair this enthusiasm ran right through the pilot community and everyone you spoke to was excited about the future. It is a great pity that this feeling wasn’t nurtured. We would be turning away direct entry captains by now instead of trawling the gin dens of the former communist back-streets dropping the Kings shilling into the pints of those too p1ssed to realize what they have signed up for and exploiting the street kids who have hocked the family silver and dare not go home without a job.

Leo and Stan
From a simple read of these pages and many others on PPrune, not many of your work colleagues seem to share your views. News from REPA also suggests more than a little unrest and dissatisfaction.
Most importantly though, you are happy in your job and no-one can take that away from you.
EZY isn't a happy place right now sure enough, but I wouldn't consider crossing to the Harp for a minute.
(btw. Having specific knowledge of both companies your 'mountain of dough' comment is somewhat over-stated!).