Jet2 Sector Pay?
 

Anyone know if it's been confirmed yet?
I see that Cabin Crew are to get £1 per sector rising to £1.50 on long sectors.
Maybe this will be the same for Flight Deck?

Im afraid it is true,

F/O's have been offered £2 per sector minus tax and skippers £6

It is the final insult from the company, and really reflects the sentiment that the management don't give a toss about how this will be perceived by their crew.

The time has come for the flood gates to open and abandon ship.
This really is the bottom feeding, pondlife of the industry.

Can we please just stick to the facts!

As far as I can see, this is IN LIEU of a 2006 pay increase, which would have been (maybe) 2-3%.

How many £2 sectors does a First Officer need to do to add up to a 2-3% pay increase? Assuming of course that you don't go sick.

Sectors 3-8 in a day's work accrue extra, by the way.

Insulting
 

Well I have been a company man up to now but this seems to be the biggest insult yet. Particualrly when you hear that F/O's are not only on a different rate from their LHS counterparts (not unusual) but that we are worth but one third of our LHS chums. the amusing letter tells us this:

On top of the nominal £2.10 / hr tax free

sectors up to 1299nm - £2 F/O £6 Capt
1300nm or more - £3 F/O £8 Capt
sectors 3/4 - £4 F/O ? Capt
Sectors 5+ - £8
Note all sector pay is taxed at 40%

The company seems to have excelled this month by alientating ot only all the BOH office staff but now all of its flight crews! Personnally I think I would rather have had a standard 3% rise than this. I feel hurt and generally betrayed by this especially when the letter goes on to say it is '...to recognise the priductivity of our aircrew...' To be honest this really should have been thought through more and perhaps a little bit of communication with the crews during pay discussions might not go amiss especially with EZ and FR And Tommyfly offering notably better packages on all levels!

As a note consider the 757 drivers who effectively are even worse off considering the longer sectors they are prone to doing will negate their ability to do 4 sector days and thus reduce the potential bonus.

Heh ho looks like the summer might be even busier now the floodgates are on their last dribbles of mortar!

Are you sure that we will not get the 2-3% increase as well as the sector pay? Quote from the letter ..."You will also receive an increment this year".
I am not sure what to think...
CFTO

"You will also receive an increment"

Does this mean that everyone goes up the scale by one rung, as oppossed to a cost of living increase?

Actually, I guess it doesn't matter either way as long as you get an increase.

£6 per sector pluse £2.10 per hour isn't much short of BMI Baby (£12 per sector)

£2 plus £2.10 is a lot short of £12 per sector.

Probably reflects the fact that FOs are ten a penny (literally now).

So overall will have the desired effect of hanging on to skippers who are on the fence of hassle verses cash dilema. Channex/ Jet2 haven't made a profit every year by getting these things wrong, and seems that they've judged this one about right too.

My bigger worry would be with crewing leaving, they keep everyone happy and when they go, getting it right will be difficult.

The true face of management
 

I am absolutely stunned by the sector pay offered to Jet2.com staff, it is derisory to say the least, offensive and shows how grossly out of touch the company management is with its hard working staff.

Up until now I have been a hard working member of the work force who has asked for little and assisted a lot during its massive expansion, this is how I and my colleagues have been repaid (or not as the case maybe). I received the letter at 9.30 this morning and joined BALPA half an hour later as now I see them as the only way forward in addressing our issues with management and to put into place some proper T&C’s for us all. I suggest we all join.

We have endured a lot over the last few years, last year being particularly bad and have been promised on numerous occasions that issues would be addressed and improved upon; this is the latest company response.

We are repaid with what I can only describe as a kick in the nuts from management; the sector pay is a cheap below inflation rise which will not even be included in company contributions regarding pension payments etc (another saving for the company coffers). I for one am now dusting off my CV as this is the last straw in what has been a ‘use em and loose em’ culture that seems to have gripped Jet2.com management.

Having flown 330 sectors in the last year equates to a mere £1980, without the discount for the many 4 sector days. Personally I would have prefered a decent pay rise.
Its kind of pointless having different amounts for sectors over 1300Nm Great Circle Distance as currently we only have 1, TFS!!!

Ardacre,

I couldn't agree with you more, had quite a few conversations with crew today who are all of the same opinion.

It absolutely staggers me that management or one 'I'n'D'ividual can behave this way, if only he knew what the vast majority of the company think of him, or perhaps he does, hence this sordid offer.

There are some real plus points within the company and they centre largely around fellow crewmembers and staff. It is such a shame it has come to this that I feel utterly abused by this shower that I am out asap.

Colin Monkfish,

Cant agree with you more; the people that we work with on a day to day basis are fantastic and I could not hope to work with a better bunch, but as a collective group we are now being shafted, used and our intelligence insulted which is leading to management driving a coach and horses through our T&C’s on a regular basis. I have never been a union person but we now need BALPA representation to stop this rot.

The management will not care this time round because by the time people have mobilised themselves into finding better paid alternative employment the summer will be over and management will have scraped through another summer season declaring it a great success and thanking us all for our endeavours. Then next year the cycle will start again and we will all be complacent after a relatively quiet winter and guess what it will be sore arse time again.

Not happy?
 

Boys and girls in the frontend and the hard work area behind, if you have a grieviance then let it be known by sending an email to the author of the letter for when he gets back to work. Let him know who you are and how insulted you feel. Copy this email to your line manager then make sure you save it on your computer.

A couple of hundred emails will demonstrate the level of disgust the management have managed to induce in the past few days.

Then think about joining a union. TGWU is £9.32 a month and means all in together, flightdeck and cabincrew. Either way,those of who are still thinking of staying must stick together. Nobody likes a fight but don't p!ss on me and tell me it's raining.

Union?
 

If people think a union is the way to go, then which one would be best suited?
BALPA? TGWU (they have been handing out flyers to all crew at MAN), siting the dual base arguement as a reason to join.

Dual base wise at MAN crew are now dual based with an allowance for travelling to Blackpool ranging from £0.41 up to £40 plus, apparently based on your postcode. (the person with £0.41 lives in Liverpool? - admittedly a mistake but just to show differences)

Any advice for the chaps at Jet2 from other people with experience about union representation/ negotiation would I'm sure be greatly appreciated.

BALPA expensive and ineffectual in this operation.

IPA/IPF cheap,friendly, but amatuerish and naive.

TGWU experienced, professional,good value and very, very, very LARGE! Ask Easyjet.

Get a grip guys youre flying for a tin-pot lowcost operator. When the front end of the airplane is empty because nobody wants to work for Jet2, there might be more money in the offing. Until then.....suck it up chumps.

aileron

not 'youre', but 'you're' or 'you are'. People with our advanced educational qualifications should do better you know.

'suck it up chumps' seems a bit harsh, but I understand your delight in this fiasco. Talk soon.

An annual increment is usually given in addition to cost-of-living rise. The increment is nothing to do with cost of living, but is your reward for longevity and possibly for performing a little better than when you were new.

In this case you still get your increment, but with sector pay you could end up with less than a cost-of-living rise if you don't fly much. And your employer's pension contribution is stuck on last year's pay scale.

Catch 23,
You are not dual-based until there is a CAA-approved FTL scheme in place! And even then there are contractual matters to consider.

I would have thought we would have had a better response than this! Maybe the majority are happy with the sector pay?

No-one is happy with it. Keep your powder dry. Monday brings a chance to make good or at least make better.

Always have a Plan B, a fall-back position.

Morning Silverhawk, you were up and at it early this morning, if you'll pardon the expression:} . So what's happening on Monday???

Speak later mate.

JFP

The author of our letters is back at work on Monday. His opportunity to appease the people affected.

Not his fault. His office is purely a communication device. It has no negotiating or consultative powers.

For that sort of thing we have to organise ourselves. Up to each of us to stand together or allow ourselves to be bullied. If we don't act we have no cause to complain.

I don't think that's at all fair. If he hasn't communicated with you, it's because you haven't communicated with him!

Our rep is there to present to Management the views of any pilots who would prefer not to stick their heads above the parapet. So if you want to complain about sector pay anonymously, send him an email and he will forward it without your name on.

If we all send him an email, ID will get the message without being able to shoot at anyone in particular. Could be useful - unless of course he decides to shoot the messenger.

It is exactly the image of intimidation that we need to overcome. Stand up for yourselves, grow a spine and send ID your thoughts. He will have to listen if we show solidarity. Forget annonimity.

Don't forget how many jobs there are out there just now.

Silverhawk,

I completely agree with you, except that 95% won't give up their anonymity because they feel they have too much to lose. For instance, if you are Leeds-based and your job is made untenable, where to you go? It would mean ripping up all your domestic arrangements and starting again.

Like it or not, 200 emails to ID might just be the best way forward.

Silverhawk,

I get a real kick out of PPRuners that pick at grammar. How I care to communicate is up to me. I dont care for whingers or pilots who moan about their lot. I also worry about chaps that have nothing better to do than pick at trivia.

Delight in this fiasco? Jet2 pilots will reap what they sow. Its not complicated. Jet2 carry low-cost passengers and employ low-cost pilots.

Sent mine on 28th direct to his [email protected]. with my name on it.

Agree with what you say about domestic arrangements, but I can't accept that there really is such a culture of fear. Respect has to be reciprocated.

Let's hope the folly is recognised on Monday.

Meanwhile we need to get unionised in readiness for any future discussions.

I agree with most of whats been said, solidarity is the only way forward.
The probelm with our company rep is that he is EDI based and really too far removed from where much of the general sentiment and angst is felt i.e Leeds and Manch.

We need someone or a collective in the thick of the action to be truly effective, especially now management are on their way too leeds, I would suggest organising a couple of evenings where everybody could pitch up and put points forward, chaired by someone, maybe a base captain at least it would give everyone a platform to unite to fight these F'3kwits who are giving us a good rimming on very occasion.

to do nothing I agree is spineless, infact probably as spineless as the individual concerned in drafting this pay deal.

Aileron

and of course all the pilots at your fantastic airline are fantastic. Grow up.

Hey aileron....you related to our old mate Pulp/X-Centric by any chance.

Come on guys/gals/COMRADS...got to keep this thread on "message"

Bout time we had our own forum maybe ?

Silvery Hawk.... "No one is happy with it"
Speak for your self, yeah its not the best pay increase in the world but the airline is still quite small compared to Ryanair and Easyjet. We havn't even been going 3 years, what do u want, the airline to pay us like BA and then go bust or to hang on, increase the pay slowly untill the airline is big? I'm quite happy with flight pay AND sector pay, not many airlines offer that, and not all of them offer your flight pay trax free either!
I know quite a few crew who are happy with the pay scale here at Jet2.com. Ive worked a lot harder for a lot less money at other airline, also under bad working conditions and the company taking the P**s.
As i read in the forum earlier, if u have problems then put it in writing, thats the thing with people complaining, we're all to quick to get straight on here and to talk to other folk at work, yet no one will actually tell the person who wrote the letter AND if you think its really that bad, then why dosnt someone get a union in? I know T&G were harrasing the crew a few weeks ago to join so im sure they will be more than willing to get involved!

Crewboi,

As a cabin crewmember I would not get involved in what the flightdeck pay disputes are.
Cabin crew are widely acknowledged at Jet2 as being paid at the top end of the industry, flight deck are at the lowest.
There will hopefully now be a step towards a union involvement as it has now gone too far, as the company are taking the piss......... all over us.
No one is saying we expect to be paid like BA but at a level that is respectable to the industry standard, the company are doing extremely well and are not investing any of it back into human captial.

As for small we are the third largest low cost and certainly a cash rich company, they just don't give a toss about their crew.

crewboi

I'm glad you are happy. Would you not like to be happier? Would you like us all to be happy?


crewboi and Colin

we're all in this together. Let's work together. I actually enjoy it here for the mostpart. Those of you that know who I am know that already. If we're all together we have one collective and can strive for our futures together.

Think in the long term please.

Silverhawk, i think we all agree with you ,however there are a lot of FOs who came here with the promise of a quick command (rightly or wrongly). There is a strong feeling that if we stick our necks out, we blow our chances.

PP

I appreciate that position. Nothing to stop you joining a union, keeping that to yourself and being represented by your colleagues who are willing to be visible and want to work WITH the company on your behalf.

This is all about where we would like to be in the years to come, not just the issues of the last few days. I'm in this for the longhaul, otherwise I would already be gone. I let the Aircrew Manager know as much this morning.

My ID is no secret.

Purple Pitot
 

I certainly agree with you! I have been with this company for 9yrs now & have known of other challenges with management, have met with career limiting prospects shall one say! Tact & diplomacy without union representation is like bringing a knife to a gunfight in this situation. I think the only answer is representation by sensible briefs that extend our profession to the extent it deserves to be!!!!

Silverhawk,

I applaud your sensible view but somehow don’t think the management will see it that way and will actively be against unionisation from the off. I for one have now joined Balpa and would if the balance of view swung to another union join that to show solidarity with my colleagues.

The fact that there have been so few posts stating people’s dissatisfaction at this travesty I cannot see a union getting much more support either.

I feel spine and backbone are sadly lacking with some fellow colleagues! Thing are going to have to get worse (and believe me they will) before anything is done to address this and other issues.

Yes they will be against unionisation. Already they have made that clear.

The choice is that of the employees, alone.

Well Jet2 people, I think that you should all listen to that wise old owl, Silverhawk..... I know he's a hawk not an owl but close enough for illustration purposes.

Can't stand the company myself, I think that there are Russian gulag guards who would make more inspirational leaders than your present gaffers, but I have fond memories of some really good people that I worked with on the shop floor during my brief, unhappy & exploited period with Jet2. Yet again it's the first officers who get shafted without the Vaseline, captains may use the lubricant to slightly deaden the pain. Stick together, support one another if you want to stay with Europe's premier Low Class Operator. Otherwise there are plenty of other opportunities in our industry at the moment. Don't miss the boat with misplaced loyalty to a company that blatantly doesn't give a sh!t about you.

Best of Luck :ok:

good looking too!

Don't push it Silverhawk. ;)