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Jet2 Sector Pay?

Old 29th Mar 2006, 11:08
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Jet2 Sector Pay?

Anyone know if it's been confirmed yet?
I see that Cabin Crew are to get £1 per sector rising to £1.50 on long sectors.
Maybe this will be the same for Flight Deck?
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 11:40
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Im afraid it is true,

F/O's have been offered £2 per sector minus tax and skippers £6

It is the final insult from the company, and really reflects the sentiment that the management don't give a toss about how this will be perceived by their crew.

The time has come for the flood gates to open and abandon ship.
This really is the bottom feeding, pondlife of the industry.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 14:46
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Can we please just stick to the facts!

As far as I can see, this is IN LIEU of a 2006 pay increase, which would have been (maybe) 2-3%.

How many £2 sectors does a First Officer need to do to add up to a 2-3% pay increase? Assuming of course that you don't go sick.

Sectors 3-8 in a day's work accrue extra, by the way.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 15:21
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Insulting

Well I have been a company man up to now but this seems to be the biggest insult yet. Particualrly when you hear that F/O's are not only on a different rate from their LHS counterparts (not unusual) but that we are worth but one third of our LHS chums. the amusing letter tells us this:

On top of the nominal £2.10 / hr tax free

sectors up to 1299nm - £2 F/O £6 Capt
1300nm or more - £3 F/O £8 Capt
sectors 3/4 - £4 F/O ? Capt
Sectors 5+ - £8
Note all sector pay is taxed at 40%

The company seems to have excelled this month by alientating ot only all the BOH office staff but now all of its flight crews! Personnally I think I would rather have had a standard 3% rise than this. I feel hurt and generally betrayed by this especially when the letter goes on to say it is '...to recognise the priductivity of our aircrew...' To be honest this really should have been thought through more and perhaps a little bit of communication with the crews during pay discussions might not go amiss especially with EZ and FR And Tommyfly offering notably better packages on all levels!

As a note consider the 757 drivers who effectively are even worse off considering the longer sectors they are prone to doing will negate their ability to do 4 sector days and thus reduce the potential bonus.

Heh ho looks like the summer might be even busier now the floodgates are on their last dribbles of mortar!
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 15:52
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Are you sure that we will not get the 2-3% increase as well as the sector pay? Quote from the letter ..."You will also receive an increment this year".
I am not sure what to think...
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 16:08
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"You will also receive an increment"

Does this mean that everyone goes up the scale by one rung, as oppossed to a cost of living increase?

Actually, I guess it doesn't matter either way as long as you get an increase.

£6 per sector pluse £2.10 per hour isn't much short of BMI Baby (£12 per sector)

£2 plus £2.10 is a lot short of £12 per sector.

Probably reflects the fact that FOs are ten a penny (literally now).

So overall will have the desired effect of hanging on to skippers who are on the fence of hassle verses cash dilema. Channex/ Jet2 haven't made a profit every year by getting these things wrong, and seems that they've judged this one about right too.

My bigger worry would be with crewing leaving, they keep everyone happy and when they go, getting it right will be difficult.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 17:06
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The true face of management

I am absolutely stunned by the sector pay offered to Jet2.com staff, it is derisory to say the least, offensive and shows how grossly out of touch the company management is with its hard working staff.

Up until now I have been a hard working member of the work force who has asked for little and assisted a lot during its massive expansion, this is how I and my colleagues have been repaid (or not as the case maybe). I received the letter at 9.30 this morning and joined BALPA half an hour later as now I see them as the only way forward in addressing our issues with management and to put into place some proper T&Cís for us all. I suggest we all join.

We have endured a lot over the last few years, last year being particularly bad and have been promised on numerous occasions that issues would be addressed and improved upon; this is the latest company response.

We are repaid with what I can only describe as a kick in the nuts from management; the sector pay is a cheap below inflation rise which will not even be included in company contributions regarding pension payments etc (another saving for the company coffers). I for one am now dusting off my CV as this is the last straw in what has been a Ďuse em and loose emí culture that seems to have gripped Jet2.com management.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 18:27
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Devil

Having flown 330 sectors in the last year equates to a mere £1980, without the discount for the many 4 sector days. Personally I would have prefered a decent pay rise.
Its kind of pointless having different amounts for sectors over 1300Nm Great Circle Distance as currently we only have 1, TFS!!!
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 18:53
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Ardacre,

I couldn't agree with you more, had quite a few conversations with crew today who are all of the same opinion.

It absolutely staggers me that management or one 'I'n'D'ividual can behave this way, if only he knew what the vast majority of the company think of him, or perhaps he does, hence this sordid offer.

There are some real plus points within the company and they centre largely around fellow crewmembers and staff. It is such a shame it has come to this that I feel utterly abused by this shower that I am out asap.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 19:17
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Colin Monkfish,

Cant agree with you more; the people that we work with on a day to day basis are fantastic and I could not hope to work with a better bunch, but as a collective group we are now being shafted, used and our intelligence insulted which is leading to management driving a coach and horses through our T&Cís on a regular basis. I have never been a union person but we now need BALPA representation to stop this rot.

The management will not care this time round because by the time people have mobilised themselves into finding better paid alternative employment the summer will be over and management will have scraped through another summer season declaring it a great success and thanking us all for our endeavours. Then next year the cycle will start again and we will all be complacent after a relatively quiet winter and guess what it will be sore arse time again.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 19:18
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Not happy?

Boys and girls in the frontend and the hard work area behind, if you have a grieviance then let it be known by sending an email to the author of the letter for when he gets back to work. Let him know who you are and how insulted you feel. Copy this email to your line manager then make sure you save it on your computer.

A couple of hundred emails will demonstrate the level of disgust the management have managed to induce in the past few days.

Then think about joining a union. TGWU is £9.32 a month and means all in together, flightdeck and cabincrew. Either way,those of who are still thinking of staying must stick together. Nobody likes a fight but don't p!ss on me and tell me it's raining.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 19:31
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Union?

If people think a union is the way to go, then which one would be best suited?
BALPA? TGWU (they have been handing out flyers to all crew at MAN), siting the dual base arguement as a reason to join.

Dual base wise at MAN crew are now dual based with an allowance for travelling to Blackpool ranging from £0.41 up to £40 plus, apparently based on your postcode. (the person with £0.41 lives in Liverpool? - admittedly a mistake but just to show differences)

Any advice for the chaps at Jet2 from other people with experience about union representation/ negotiation would I'm sure be greatly appreciated.
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Old 29th Mar 2006, 19:38
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BALPA expensive and ineffectual in this operation.

IPA/IPF cheap,friendly, but amatuerish and naive.

TGWU experienced, professional,good value and very, very, very LARGE! Ask Easyjet.
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Old 30th Mar 2006, 00:51
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Get a grip guys youre flying for a tin-pot lowcost operator. When the front end of the airplane is empty because nobody wants to work for Jet2, there might be more money in the offing. Until then.....suck it up chumps.
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Old 30th Mar 2006, 06:34
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aileron

not 'youre', but 'you're' or 'you are'. People with our advanced educational qualifications should do better you know.

'suck it up chumps' seems a bit harsh, but I understand your delight in this fiasco. Talk soon.
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Old 30th Mar 2006, 07:50
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An annual increment is usually given in addition to cost-of-living rise. The increment is nothing to do with cost of living, but is your reward for longevity and possibly for performing a little better than when you were new.

In this case you still get your increment, but with sector pay you could end up with less than a cost-of-living rise if you don't fly much. And your employer's pension contribution is stuck on last year's pay scale.

Catch 23,
You are not dual-based until there is a CAA-approved FTL scheme in place! And even then there are contractual matters to consider.
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I would have thought we would have had a better response than this! Maybe the majority are happy with the sector pay?
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No-one is happy with it. Keep your powder dry. Monday brings a chance to make good or at least make better.

Always have a Plan B, a fall-back position.
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Old 30th Mar 2006, 08:41
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Morning Silverhawk, you were up and at it early this morning, if you'll pardon the expression . So what's happening on Monday???

Speak later mate.

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The author of our letters is back at work on Monday. His opportunity to appease the people affected.
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