MorningGlory,

Dont you work for FR?...How can you say "They make everyone else looking relatively civil!"?

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I read a post earlier with someone moaning that the Captains were getting more money than the F/O's (sector pay).

Just a thought, but do you think that the fact that many of the F/O's in this kind of set up pay for their own ratings de-values them somewhat? After all captains are hard to come by, it seems F/O's are quening up to 'pay' for their jobs these days.

Its a hard life at the bottom, and unfortunately the peoples actions at the bottom of the aviation world havent made it any eaasier for themselves and others coming along.

If you dont like the pay and conditions I bet there are plenty of other potential F/o's out there with £20 k in their sticky hands prepared to work for Jet2 and the management know it.:*

I think all the lo-co's are pretty awful with regard to t's+c's, however I understand that Jet2 are really pushing the boundaries.

Clearfortheoption, Are you happy in Jet2 or would you prefer to work for somebody else? and does it not annoy you to hear such negative comments regarding your company from outsiders?

My comments are made out of interest, not malice.

What's with lumping all us F/Os together as job-hungry, sticky-handed shaftees with no hours and slim chance at employment? Some maybe. :} But others, like myself, joined because we liked the look of the company, where we'd be based, working conditions, the ability to actually speak to someone in crewing etc who would try and help out..... And it wasn't the only offer on the table.

It takes two up the front end to get the jet there and back.

I feel bad for the folks at BOH being told to move north. It's not so grim as some make out and I'm sure that there are underlying commercial gains, but I hope that those gains outweigh the inevitable loss of (a lot of excellent) personnel which will occur from such a decision.

As for the sector pay, I was pleased when I opened the letter to see it had been agreed and implemented - and not 'cos of the money, but because value is being recognised for hard effort shown and we are being brought up to the standards of our peers. Then I saw the amounts and felt very insulted - not so much effort recognised then. Especially after tax and in place of a pay rise in line with inflation.

I like working for the company, but feel abused by this offer. I would rather have received no sector pay than this offering. I feel sad about the inevitable bad feeling that will come about because of this, since it will sour what is, at the moment, an overall decent working environment. It makes the company seem cheap, penny-pinching and arrogant of feelings of their workforce.

I hope the company looks at this and does something - soon - before it needs to become a unionistic "us and them" scenario. Floodgates may or may not open, but there will be a number of people for which this will be a push in the outward direction.
You can't rely on base complacency to make up for too much, J2.

As I said, I like the company and I like the work, so I really hope that they recognise this as a source of discontent and address it.

Cheers

G :)

morningglory,

At the moment I am happy at jet2.Things can be improved,it's not perfect but I enjoy going to work with nice people.

I wouldn't like to change at the moment ,it wouldn't make sense for me personally.When i get fed up i will leave.

However I think that the company is starting to grow too much to be without a union,so I am with silverhawk in that respect and I am considering different options like Balpa,IPA etc...

I have nothing against FR,I have friends who fly for FR and I know what goes on there,it's not better than jet2.

cheers.

This thread just goes to prove how apathetic some of our work colleagues are, support for this thread is practically nonexistent so why should support for a union be any different?
How about we enquire about getting our own private PPRUNE forum set up similar to those down the page that the real airlines have? It is a start and we could then discuss issues like these in private and this may then encourage more to voice their concerns.

What's the general feeling amongst staff in the crew rooms? That a probable gauge of the mood of things.

ardacre
 

lack of postings does not mean lack of support.

My phone, email and PMs are so busy I've had to promise the family I will not answer any of them tomorrow (Sunday).

Nobody likes an 'us and them' culture. What works best is management and workforce, that is the whole company, working together.

It certainly is truely sentimental to know that with the lack of a pay rise and the £2 a sector pay, after tax I can just about buy a flapjack. Unfortunately not the case for our hard working cabin crew!:uhoh:

I agree totally with Gulpers' earlier comment. I am in a very similar position to him/her and I was, until 'the letter', quietly proud to work for Jet2 - what I saw as an expanding company that had not lost its personal touch.
As welcome as the sector pay is, the large variance across the crew, and the lowly rates for F/Os and Cabin Crew, is divisive and insulting. The responsibility of the captain is already reflected in salary - as is that of the SCCM. Routinely, both pilots carry out almost identical sector tasks, as do the CC. There should, in my opinion, be only 2 rates of sector pay - flight deck and cabin crew.
I hope that ID reads this and heeds the feelings of his staff – personnel are any company’s most valuable asset and those with low morale tend to perform poorly.
PS A private forum for the airline would be most welcome - we shouldn't have to do our dirty washing in public.

jet2 forum?
 

How do we get a jet2 forum? Do we have to ask the moderators?

You need to contact Danny or PPRuNe towers with your request.

Gulpers and TG

A few months ago I put it to some of the bosses that FOs should also get medical, loss of licence,etc because they are not second rate pilots, they are commanders of the future if we are able to hang on to them for that long. Their response was ' Captains are management, FOs are supervisors'




Unite. Application forms for T&G readily available.

That's only going to work for Balpa members. Segregates more than 2/3 of our workforce. I don't think that's very practical.

' Captains are management, FOs are supervisors'

They most certainly don't treat us as management:

-No company performance bonus.
-A week less annual leave.
-No company car.
-No company mobile, to use for all your own personal calls.
-But we do get removed from the quarterly draw!!

Happy flying

Ah, the hallowed quarterly draw....on "induction week" we we told that Capts were removed from this perk 'cos we were payed...and I quote..."like filmstars" !!!
They must have meant the £250 payments you get if they show your home-movie clips on one of those TV shows....

Lets get our own forum up and running....who's up for being "moderator" ?

Can anybody confirm that in order to get union recognition within the company all it's needed is the 51% of the pilots to join the same union?

50% of the workforce plus 1 person, a majority. Workforce, not pilots. Don't try to divide the staff up, that's what causes the vulnerability in the first place.

For practical purposes 60 or 70% is preferable

Pleased to see that support is picking up if only slowly!!
I hope that the momentum continues and that people dont lose their bottle when the time comes to joining a union.

Apparently the Balpa forum is up and running, but i think that a forum here on Prune is the way forward so as not to alienate staff and allow all employees to contribute.

Silverhawk,

You have my support, but who are you and where you based???

count me in

Here's my support to getting union representation, let me know which union and i'll join.Time we started to kick back after being kicked so much.

If it helps i'm already a Balpa member but willing to go along with the majority.

A forum for all staff on here would be a great idea.