Not his fault. His office is purely a communication device. It has no negotiating or consultative powers.

For that sort of thing we have to organise ourselves. Up to each of us to stand together or allow ourselves to be bullied. If we don't act we have no cause to complain.

I don't think that's at all fair. If he hasn't communicated with you, it's because you haven't communicated with him!

Our rep is there to present to Management the views of any pilots who would prefer not to stick their heads above the parapet. So if you want to complain about sector pay anonymously, send him an email and he will forward it without your name on.

If we all send him an email, ID will get the message without being able to shoot at anyone in particular. Could be useful - unless of course he decides to shoot the messenger.

It is exactly the image of intimidation that we need to overcome. Stand up for yourselves, grow a spine and send ID your thoughts. He will have to listen if we show solidarity. Forget annonimity.

Don't forget how many jobs there are out there just now.

Silverhawk,

I completely agree with you, except that 95% won't give up their anonymity because they feel they have too much to lose. For instance, if you are Leeds-based and your job is made untenable, where to you go? It would mean ripping up all your domestic arrangements and starting again.

Like it or not, 200 emails to ID might just be the best way forward.

Silverhawk,

I get a real kick out of PPRuners that pick at grammar. How I care to communicate is up to me. I dont care for whingers or pilots who moan about their lot. I also worry about chaps that have nothing better to do than pick at trivia.

Delight in this fiasco? Jet2 pilots will reap what they sow. Its not complicated. Jet2 carry low-cost passengers and employ low-cost pilots.

Sent mine on 28th direct to his [email protected]. with my name on it.

Agree with what you say about domestic arrangements, but I can't accept that there really is such a culture of fear. Respect has to be reciprocated.

Let's hope the folly is recognised on Monday.

Meanwhile we need to get unionised in readiness for any future discussions.

I agree with most of whats been said, solidarity is the only way forward.
The probelm with our company rep is that he is EDI based and really too far removed from where much of the general sentiment and angst is felt i.e Leeds and Manch.

We need someone or a collective in the thick of the action to be truly effective, especially now management are on their way too leeds, I would suggest organising a couple of evenings where everybody could pitch up and put points forward, chaired by someone, maybe a base captain at least it would give everyone a platform to unite to fight these F'3kwits who are giving us a good rimming on very occasion.

to do nothing I agree is spineless, infact probably as spineless as the individual concerned in drafting this pay deal.

Aileron

and of course all the pilots at your fantastic airline are fantastic. Grow up.

Hey aileron....you related to our old mate Pulp/X-Centric by any chance.

Come on guys/gals/COMRADS...got to keep this thread on "message"

Bout time we had our own forum maybe ?

Silvery Hawk.... "No one is happy with it"
Speak for your self, yeah its not the best pay increase in the world but the airline is still quite small compared to Ryanair and Easyjet. We havn't even been going 3 years, what do u want, the airline to pay us like BA and then go bust or to hang on, increase the pay slowly untill the airline is big? I'm quite happy with flight pay AND sector pay, not many airlines offer that, and not all of them offer your flight pay trax free either!
I know quite a few crew who are happy with the pay scale here at Jet2.com. Ive worked a lot harder for a lot less money at other airline, also under bad working conditions and the company taking the P**s.
As i read in the forum earlier, if u have problems then put it in writing, thats the thing with people complaining, we're all to quick to get straight on here and to talk to other folk at work, yet no one will actually tell the person who wrote the letter AND if you think its really that bad, then why dosnt someone get a union in? I know T&G were harrasing the crew a few weeks ago to join so im sure they will be more than willing to get involved!

Crewboi,

As a cabin crewmember I would not get involved in what the flightdeck pay disputes are.
Cabin crew are widely acknowledged at Jet2 as being paid at the top end of the industry, flight deck are at the lowest.
There will hopefully now be a step towards a union involvement as it has now gone too far, as the company are taking the piss......... all over us.
No one is saying we expect to be paid like BA but at a level that is respectable to the industry standard, the company are doing extremely well and are not investing any of it back into human captial.

As for small we are the third largest low cost and certainly a cash rich company, they just don't give a toss about their crew.

crewboi

I'm glad you are happy. Would you not like to be happier? Would you like us all to be happy?


crewboi and Colin

we're all in this together. Let's work together. I actually enjoy it here for the mostpart. Those of you that know who I am know that already. If we're all together we have one collective and can strive for our futures together.

Think in the long term please.

Silverhawk, i think we all agree with you ,however there are a lot of FOs who came here with the promise of a quick command (rightly or wrongly). There is a strong feeling that if we stick our necks out, we blow our chances.

PP

I appreciate that position. Nothing to stop you joining a union, keeping that to yourself and being represented by your colleagues who are willing to be visible and want to work WITH the company on your behalf.

This is all about where we would like to be in the years to come, not just the issues of the last few days. I'm in this for the longhaul, otherwise I would already be gone. I let the Aircrew Manager know as much this morning.

My ID is no secret.

Purple Pitot
 

I certainly agree with you! I have been with this company for 9yrs now & have known of other challenges with management, have met with career limiting prospects shall one say! Tact & diplomacy without union representation is like bringing a knife to a gunfight in this situation. I think the only answer is representation by sensible briefs that extend our profession to the extent it deserves to be!!!!

Silverhawk,

I applaud your sensible view but somehow don’t think the management will see it that way and will actively be against unionisation from the off. I for one have now joined Balpa and would if the balance of view swung to another union join that to show solidarity with my colleagues.

The fact that there have been so few posts stating people’s dissatisfaction at this travesty I cannot see a union getting much more support either.

I feel spine and backbone are sadly lacking with some fellow colleagues! Thing are going to have to get worse (and believe me they will) before anything is done to address this and other issues.

Yes they will be against unionisation. Already they have made that clear.

The choice is that of the employees, alone.

Well Jet2 people, I think that you should all listen to that wise old owl, Silverhawk..... I know he's a hawk not an owl but close enough for illustration purposes.

Can't stand the company myself, I think that there are Russian gulag guards who would make more inspirational leaders than your present gaffers, but I have fond memories of some really good people that I worked with on the shop floor during my brief, unhappy & exploited period with Jet2. Yet again it's the first officers who get shafted without the Vaseline, captains may use the lubricant to slightly deaden the pain. Stick together, support one another if you want to stay with Europe's premier Low Class Operator. Otherwise there are plenty of other opportunities in our industry at the moment. Don't miss the boat with misplaced loyalty to a company that blatantly doesn't give a sh!t about you.

Best of Luck :ok:

good looking too!

Don't push it Silverhawk. ;)