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From: Down a little lower and to the left. Right there baby right there
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From: uk
It is actually a lot of fun, to piss you off just by highlighting the downsides of working for them.
One has over 20 years of experience and enjoys all the commodities, protections and part time at a western legacy carrier, obviously on a lower salary.
As highlighted by others above not all is great over there and new applicants will benefit from having ALL the information.
One has over 20 years of experience and enjoys all the commodities, protections and part time at a western legacy carrier, obviously on a lower salary.
As highlighted by others above not all is great over there and new applicants will benefit from having ALL the information.
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From: Outbush
It is actually a lot of fun, to piss you off just by highlighting the downsides of working for them.
One has over 20 years of experience and enjoys all the commodities, protections and part time at a western legacy carrier, obviously on a lower salary.
As highlighted by others above not all is great over there and new applicants will benefit from having ALL the information.
One has over 20 years of experience and enjoys all the commodities, protections and part time at a western legacy carrier, obviously on a lower salary.
As highlighted by others above not all is great over there and new applicants will benefit from having ALL the information.
I’m sure that the feedback will be helpful
Joined: Jun 2012
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From: Doctor's waiting room
On a more serious note regarding part-time, whilst I was at EK I flew with a colleague who was operating his last flight prior to resigning. What was noteworthy is that he didn't actually want to resign, but after one of his parents suddenly passed away and the remaining parent was suffering from declining health, which was deteriorating faster after the death, he asked Fleet Management for a month's unpaid leave so that he could get his affairs at home in order. The response was, if you want that time off, then you have to resign. An indication, if any was needed, that any part-time working is certainly not on the horizon!
Joined: Jul 2021
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From: Not in UK
Afghanistan is a country of close to 50 million people, some airlines want to serve that market, maybe just maybe the passengers on that flight to Kabul actually want to fly to Afghanistan, mindblowing I know, people booking tickets to the destination that want to fly to.
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From: Alps
On a more serious note regarding part-time, whilst I was at EK I flew with a colleague who was operating his last flight prior to resigning. What was noteworthy is that he didn't actually want to resign, but after one of his parents suddenly passed away and the remaining parent was suffering from declining health, which was deteriorating faster after the death, he asked Fleet Management for a month's unpaid leave so that he could get his affairs at home in order. The response was, if you want that time off, then you have to resign. An indication, if any was needed, that any part-time working is certainly not on the horizon!
i was offered to take either my accrued leave (72 days) or unpaid leave to let me have a cooling period on my resignation which I declined.
The conversation was very amicable and professional btw.
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From: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P8pihdksUHk&si=t_GX3ubmBvZ2CDgB
Ex Recruiter From Emirates.
I am aware, common sense is thin on ground these days. It appears HR in some outfits display the same illness.
There is an ex recruiter at "The Emirates". who is selling packages to prepare one for airline interview. On Facebook.
As an introduction, he states "I have seen many talented pilots fail the selection process". Really?
If the candidate is talented, should not there be extra effort to get that candidate onboard?
The reason being, talent can't be taught in a classroom. It can't be bought.One is born with talent, ability, flair or aptitude. They either have it or they don't. A God given gift.
Would it not be sensible to take the talented candidate and teach them, what can be taught.
That too me, would be common sense.
I did mention this to him on the comments. My query was removed and no response.
Maybe someone from human remains, from any outfit could explain this to me. At the moment I am unable too get my head around the thought process, that allows them to come up with this nonsense.
There is an ex recruiter at "The Emirates". who is selling packages to prepare one for airline interview. On Facebook.
As an introduction, he states "I have seen many talented pilots fail the selection process". Really?
If the candidate is talented, should not there be extra effort to get that candidate onboard?
The reason being, talent can't be taught in a classroom. It can't be bought.One is born with talent, ability, flair or aptitude. They either have it or they don't. A God given gift.
Would it not be sensible to take the talented candidate and teach them, what can be taught.
That too me, would be common sense.
I did mention this to him on the comments. My query was removed and no response.
Maybe someone from human remains, from any outfit could explain this to me. At the moment I am unable too get my head around the thought process, that allows them to come up with this nonsense.
Last edited by RichardJones; 3rd February 2026 at 07:43.
Joined: Dec 2025
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From: Better side of World
I am aware, common sense is thin on ground these days. It appears HR in some outfits display the same illness.
There is an ex recruiter at "The Emirates". who is selling packages to prepare one for airline interview. On Facebook.
As an introduction, he states "I have seen many talented pilots fail the selection process". Really?
If the candidate is talented, should not there be extra effort to get that candidate onboard?
The reason being, talent can't be taught in a classroom. It can't be bought.One is born with talent, ability, flair or aptitude. They either have it or they don't. A God given gift.
Would it not be sensible to take the talented candidate and teach them, what can be taught.
That too me, would be common sense.
I did mention this to him on the comments. My query was removed and no response.
Maybe someone from human remains, from any outfit could explain this to me. At the moment I am unable too get my head around the thought process, that allows them to come up with this nonsense.
There is an ex recruiter at "The Emirates". who is selling packages to prepare one for airline interview. On Facebook.
As an introduction, he states "I have seen many talented pilots fail the selection process". Really?
If the candidate is talented, should not there be extra effort to get that candidate onboard?
The reason being, talent can't be taught in a classroom. It can't be bought.One is born with talent, ability, flair or aptitude. They either have it or they don't. A God given gift.
Would it not be sensible to take the talented candidate and teach them, what can be taught.
That too me, would be common sense.
I did mention this to him on the comments. My query was removed and no response.
Maybe someone from human remains, from any outfit could explain this to me. At the moment I am unable too get my head around the thought process, that allows them to come up with this nonsense.
In most fields of life talent is only needed at the top, highest levels of it. Yes you most likely will need talent to fly for blue angels or red arrows etc. but do you need it to fly highly automated in a rather “boring” type of operation where you press 10 same buttons for 10 hours? Another problem with talented person is he/she is more likely to feel wasted in his job, then they feel the need to change for another job that will use them and benefit them how they deserve. Airlines probably need average person that follows sops, can read manuals, passes sims, doesn’t break the law and accepts shortcuts on SID and STAR.
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From: Outbush
I am not even close to being recruiter or have anything related to HR just my tought as an open conversation.
In most fields of life talent is only needed at the top, highest levels of it. Yes you most likely will need talent to fly for blue angels or red arrows etc. but do you need it to fly highly automated in a rather “boring” type of operation where you press 10 same buttons for 10 hours? Another problem with talented person is he/she is more likely to feel wasted in his job, then they feel the need to change for another job that will use them and benefit them how they deserve. Airlines probably need average person that follows sops, can read manuals, passes sims, doesn’t break the law and accepts shortcuts on SID and STAR.
In most fields of life talent is only needed at the top, highest levels of it. Yes you most likely will need talent to fly for blue angels or red arrows etc. but do you need it to fly highly automated in a rather “boring” type of operation where you press 10 same buttons for 10 hours? Another problem with talented person is he/she is more likely to feel wasted in his job, then they feel the need to change for another job that will use them and benefit them how they deserve. Airlines probably need average person that follows sops, can read manuals, passes sims, doesn’t break the law and accepts shortcuts on SID and STAR.
Joined: Jan 2006
Aviation Qualifications: ATPL
Posts: 49
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From: Norway
I am aware, common sense is thin on ground these days. It appears HR in some outfits display the same illness.
There is an ex recruiter at "The Emirates". who is selling packages to prepare one for airline interview. On Facebook.
As an introduction, he states "I have seen many talented pilots fail the selection process". Really?
If the candidate is talented, should not there be extra effort to get that candidate onboard?
The reason being, talent can't be taught in a classroom. It can't be bought.One is born with talent, ability, flair or aptitude. They either have it or they don't. A God given gift.
Would it not be sensible to take the talented candidate and teach them, what can be taught.
That too me, would be common sense.
I did mention this to him on the comments. My query was removed and no response.
Maybe someone from human remains, from any outfit could explain this to me. At the moment I am unable too get my head around the thought process, that allows them to come up with this nonsense.
There is an ex recruiter at "The Emirates". who is selling packages to prepare one for airline interview. On Facebook.
As an introduction, he states "I have seen many talented pilots fail the selection process". Really?
If the candidate is talented, should not there be extra effort to get that candidate onboard?
The reason being, talent can't be taught in a classroom. It can't be bought.One is born with talent, ability, flair or aptitude. They either have it or they don't. A God given gift.
Would it not be sensible to take the talented candidate and teach them, what can be taught.
That too me, would be common sense.
I did mention this to him on the comments. My query was removed and no response.
Maybe someone from human remains, from any outfit could explain this to me. At the moment I am unable too get my head around the thought process, that allows them to come up with this nonsense.
It depends on how you define “talent”,
Natural aptitude or skill might be a “god given gift” as you say, but is on it´s own nowhere near enough to pass stringent selections for any job.
A broader definition of talent also engulfs attitude, experience, discipline and ability to work hard towards a goal, these required personality traits are not “god given”, but are essential in the cockpit.
People with natural ability or skill(god given), but lacking the above mentioned traits often peak out early and then get surpassed by those that have disiplin, patience and work harder. I know which kind I want beside me on the flight deck.
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From: https://youtube.com/watch?v=P8pihdksUHk&si=t_GX3ubmBvZ2CDgB
Fair comment.
What is the most important skill a pilot needs, to operate with any degree of safety? My answer is to be ABLE to FLY the aircraft.
Everyone is so fixated with the automatics, not to much thought has gone into, how will this person will cope, if the automatics fail? In most cases not very well.
This was beginning to rare its ugly head 20years ago before I retired. Example, Asian airline, linecheck, on approach checkpilot pulled the A/P CB. The pilot flying couldn't cope. Turned into an incident. Ok the time to do this stunt is in the simulator, not in the a/c loaded with passengers.
This incompetence has crept into the industry to the extend the FAA are very concerned. 20 years late but better late than never. It has caused at least one loss of an A/C. You only have to watch any aircraft landing in adverse wind conditions. They have no idea, most of them. Not the crews fault, as they are unable to get any handling practice. Some outfits, manual flying is not allowed. Every time I strap my backside to an A/C these days I pray to (God) the autopilot don't quit.
As far as the other types of "suitablity" are concerned, these traits really cant be picked up at interview stage. Take a. recent case when a Captain punched a F/O, for telling him to slow down on the taxi. He didnt slow the taxi so brakes were applied, then the Captain hit him. Nice behaviour? I could go on, but most can take the point..When I was flying multi crew up to 3 , I would always invite critquec. Some would look at me as if I had come from Mars. Not encouraged these days I bet.That let the others know I made mistakes like everyone else.. There is a lot of psychology involved in getting the better out of people you are working with.
Flight deck? It was always cockpit in my day. One word fitted all. Take a Piper Cub for example, would you call the pilot seating area, a flghtdeck? Some of you youngsters need to get over yourselves. Only aeroplanes at the end of the day.
What is the most important skill a pilot needs, to operate with any degree of safety? My answer is to be ABLE to FLY the aircraft.
Everyone is so fixated with the automatics, not to much thought has gone into, how will this person will cope, if the automatics fail? In most cases not very well.
This was beginning to rare its ugly head 20years ago before I retired. Example, Asian airline, linecheck, on approach checkpilot pulled the A/P CB. The pilot flying couldn't cope. Turned into an incident. Ok the time to do this stunt is in the simulator, not in the a/c loaded with passengers.
This incompetence has crept into the industry to the extend the FAA are very concerned. 20 years late but better late than never. It has caused at least one loss of an A/C. You only have to watch any aircraft landing in adverse wind conditions. They have no idea, most of them. Not the crews fault, as they are unable to get any handling practice. Some outfits, manual flying is not allowed. Every time I strap my backside to an A/C these days I pray to (God) the autopilot don't quit.
As far as the other types of "suitablity" are concerned, these traits really cant be picked up at interview stage. Take a. recent case when a Captain punched a F/O, for telling him to slow down on the taxi. He didnt slow the taxi so brakes were applied, then the Captain hit him. Nice behaviour? I could go on, but most can take the point..When I was flying multi crew up to 3 , I would always invite critquec. Some would look at me as if I had come from Mars. Not encouraged these days I bet.That let the others know I made mistakes like everyone else.. There is a lot of psychology involved in getting the better out of people you are working with.
Flight deck? It was always cockpit in my day. One word fitted all. Take a Piper Cub for example, would you call the pilot seating area, a flghtdeck? Some of you youngsters need to get over yourselves. Only aeroplanes at the end of the day.
Last edited by RichardJones; 4th March 2026 at 06:03.
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From: Coast to Coast...
Hi Guys,
I'm interested in the Accelerated Command opportunity, however my career to date is pretty messy. I have 8 employers (5 of them bankrupt!) and lots of experience flying adhoc charters on Airbus and Boeing for smaller companies. Though I have letters confirming hours flown from most of them. Only one is stamped (from a Far Eastern operator). There is no way on earth I can get a "stamped" letter confirming my hours (less stamping each page of the logbook). I can't be the only person in this position. What is the usual way to address this? PM me if you prefer.
Thanks
I'm interested in the Accelerated Command opportunity, however my career to date is pretty messy. I have 8 employers (5 of them bankrupt!) and lots of experience flying adhoc charters on Airbus and Boeing for smaller companies. Though I have letters confirming hours flown from most of them. Only one is stamped (from a Far Eastern operator). There is no way on earth I can get a "stamped" letter confirming my hours (less stamping each page of the logbook). I can't be the only person in this position. What is the usual way to address this? PM me if you prefer.
Thanks
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From: UK
Fair comment.
What is the most important skill a pilot needs, to operate with any degree of safety? My answer is to be ABLE to FLY the aircraft.
Everyone is so fixated with the automatics, not to much thought has gone into, how will this person will cope, if the automatics fail? In most cases not very well.
This was beginning to rare its ugly head 20years ago before I retired. Example, Asian airline, linecheck, on approach checkpilot pulled the A/P CB. The pilot flying couldn't cope. Turned into an incident. Ok the time to do this stunt is in the simulator, not in the a/c loaded with passengers.
This incompetence has crept into the industry to the extend the FAA are very concerned. 20 years late but better late than never. It has caused at least one loss of an A/C. You only have to watch any aircraft landing in adverse wind conditions. They have no idea, most of them. Not the crews fault, as they are unable to get any handling practice. Some outfits, manual flying is not allowed. Every time I strap my backside to an A/C these days I pray to (God) the autopilot don't quit.
As far as the other types of "suitablity" are concerned, these traits really cant be picked up at interview stage. Take a. recent case when a Captain punched a F/O, for telling him to slow down on the taxi. He didnt slow the taxi so brakes were applied, then the Captain hit him. Nice behaviour? I could go on, but most can take the point..When I was flying multi crew up to 3 , I would always invite critquec. Some would look at me as if I had come from Mars. Not encouraged these days I bet.That let the others know I made mistakes like everyone else.. There is a lot of psychology involved in getting the better out of people you are working with.
Flight deck? It was always cockpit in my day. One word fitted all. Take a Piper Cub for example, would you call the pilot seating area, a flghtdeck? Some of you youngsters need to get over yourselves. Only aeroplanes at the end of the day.
What is the most important skill a pilot needs, to operate with any degree of safety? My answer is to be ABLE to FLY the aircraft.
Everyone is so fixated with the automatics, not to much thought has gone into, how will this person will cope, if the automatics fail? In most cases not very well.
This was beginning to rare its ugly head 20years ago before I retired. Example, Asian airline, linecheck, on approach checkpilot pulled the A/P CB. The pilot flying couldn't cope. Turned into an incident. Ok the time to do this stunt is in the simulator, not in the a/c loaded with passengers.
This incompetence has crept into the industry to the extend the FAA are very concerned. 20 years late but better late than never. It has caused at least one loss of an A/C. You only have to watch any aircraft landing in adverse wind conditions. They have no idea, most of them. Not the crews fault, as they are unable to get any handling practice. Some outfits, manual flying is not allowed. Every time I strap my backside to an A/C these days I pray to (God) the autopilot don't quit.
As far as the other types of "suitablity" are concerned, these traits really cant be picked up at interview stage. Take a. recent case when a Captain punched a F/O, for telling him to slow down on the taxi. He didnt slow the taxi so brakes were applied, then the Captain hit him. Nice behaviour? I could go on, but most can take the point..When I was flying multi crew up to 3 , I would always invite critquec. Some would look at me as if I had come from Mars. Not encouraged these days I bet.That let the others know I made mistakes like everyone else.. There is a lot of psychology involved in getting the better out of people you are working with.
Flight deck? It was always cockpit in my day. One word fitted all. Take a Piper Cub for example, would you call the pilot seating area, a flghtdeck? Some of you youngsters need to get over yourselves. Only aeroplanes at the end of the day.
