Bonding for recurrent training
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Bonding for recurrent training
Helle everyone,
quick question. Is anyone of you having a source (sorry, could not find anything suitable in the web) where it says, if a Training bond for recurrent training is legal or not under EU law.
I have in mind, that there has been some court cases going on concerning bonding for initial types, therefore bondings up to 1 year are legal but not for longer as then a recurrent is needed and the Rating would be useless without a recurrent.
Concerning recurrent i have in mind, that bondings are not legal as the recurrent is in the interest of the company to keep you flying.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Pls keep in mind, this is concerning EU Law only.
quick question. Is anyone of you having a source (sorry, could not find anything suitable in the web) where it says, if a Training bond for recurrent training is legal or not under EU law.
I have in mind, that there has been some court cases going on concerning bonding for initial types, therefore bondings up to 1 year are legal but not for longer as then a recurrent is needed and the Rating would be useless without a recurrent.
Concerning recurrent i have in mind, that bondings are not legal as the recurrent is in the interest of the company to keep you flying.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Pls keep in mind, this is concerning EU Law only.
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I don't know, but bonding is generally imposed to recover training costs.
These can be high and so are usually spread over several years. Even though a new pilot is passing their recurrent SIMs; the training cost - or a proportion of it - will still have to be recovered if that pilot leaves early - because the company will have paid out for the training but will have lost that trained pilot.
These can be high and so are usually spread over several years. Even though a new pilot is passing their recurrent SIMs; the training cost - or a proportion of it - will still have to be recovered if that pilot leaves early - because the company will have paid out for the training but will have lost that trained pilot.
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I am so far removed from that sort of thing that I honestly thought you were asking if you should get in touch with your SIM partner beforehand. And I did sign a bond 25 years ago when I was fresh out of training. Where I am now no company would (be able to) do that. I would prefer not work for a company that does that. In the EU none of the better companies do it. So, if there's no other way, I would, but it would only strengthen my resolve to leave.
More importantly, don't ask for legal advice on a free public forum, because you get what you pay for.
More importantly, don't ask for legal advice on a free public forum, because you get what you pay for.
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Helle everyone,
quick question. Is anyone of you having a source (sorry, could not find anything suitable in the web) where it says, if a Training bond for recurrent training is legal or not under EU law.
I have in mind, that there has been some court cases going on concerning bonding for initial types, therefore bondings up to 1 year are legal but not for longer as then a recurrent is needed and the Rating would be useless without a recurrent.
Concerning recurrent i have in mind, that bondings are not legal as the recurrent is in the interest of the company to keep you flying.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Pls keep in mind, this is concerning EU Law only.
quick question. Is anyone of you having a source (sorry, could not find anything suitable in the web) where it says, if a Training bond for recurrent training is legal or not under EU law.
I have in mind, that there has been some court cases going on concerning bonding for initial types, therefore bondings up to 1 year are legal but not for longer as then a recurrent is needed and the Rating would be useless without a recurrent.
Concerning recurrent i have in mind, that bondings are not legal as the recurrent is in the interest of the company to keep you flying.
Thank you for sharing your knowledge.
Pls keep in mind, this is concerning EU Law only.
That doesn't make much sense. Yeah, the rating is not valid as you need an LPC, but if you do an LPC within 3 years, the rating is automatically renewed/revalidated without any further training requirements. So you can't say the rating is useless. The rating is yours, not theirs.
Applying your logic, then if you lose your medical you can't exercise your licence and rating privileges, so does the bond stop? Of course not. You have a bond to cover initial training costs, nothing else.
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Thank you guys so far for your replies.
I got some which i didnt ask for. I am long enough in the business to know how things work. I was asking if anyone is having a link to any of the court cases or personel court cases concerning bondings.
I know, there has been many cases going on and as i know most of them have been decided pro pilot. I just need some links.
Thank you.
I got some which i didnt ask for. I am long enough in the business to know how things work. I was asking if anyone is having a link to any of the court cases or personel court cases concerning bondings.
I know, there has been many cases going on and as i know most of them have been decided pro pilot. I just need some links.
Thank you.
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I only had anecdotal stories of people signing binding agreements in EU countries where they were illegal, and then leaving (breaking the agreement) with no follow up from the company. At the time we made a conclusion, that the company was well aware of illegality of the agreement but used it as a scare tactic.
This forum is way below the pay grade you need to get the legal answers you want. I think I would try to speak someone who is working in that field. Lawyer?
This forum is way below the pay grade you need to get the legal answers you want. I think I would try to speak someone who is working in that field. Lawyer?
