British Airways Direct Entry Pilot

[122.85]

Originally Posted by sillyworm

Heard that pilots are trying to increase the pay at the lower end of the pay scales ?
Maybe to entice more pilots to join also ?

Is this a valid rumour

in a word….no

[hunterboy]

I think the question BA pilots have is why should they be funding an increase in the starting salaries? It is the companies job to recruit people. If the starting package is so poor that no one joins, then that speaks volumes. Easy fix, get IAG to stick their hand in their pocket.

[FL370 Officeboy]

Originally Posted by hunterboy

I think the question BA pilots have is why should they be funding an increase in the starting salaries? It is the companies job to recruit people. If the starting package is so poor that no one joins, then that speaks volumes. Easy fix, get IAG to stick their hand in their pocket.

Who said anything about pilots funding changes

[Sick]

Originally Posted by hunterboy

I think the question BA pilots have is why should they be funding an increase in the starting salaries? .

Or to reverse that argument, why should junior pilots subsidize the vastly higher salaries of senior pilots, for basically doing the same job (the former with much worse rosters)? Moreover, the pay is inadequate to meet supply/demand at the junior level, but pay could probably be greatly reduced at the senior level without significant attrition (because they're still on a good thing, compared to leaving to a job elsewhere.)

[hunterboy]

Substitute the word pilots for any job title, and I’d say you have an interesting debate. However, employment law seems to allow “experience” or time served to be rewarded.
I’d suggest that if you don’t like the rostering and pay scales that a company uses, why join?

[Sick]

why join?

Well indeed! It's a hill many/most experienced pilots are unwilling to climb (and after narrowly being too late to get on a cadet course in the early 90s, that's what I decided thereafter too). A reward for service is one thing (normal practice is for that to be capped at 5 years), but it has amazed me ever since that such a towering gradient of terms for the same job has continued to exist.

[roll_over]

Originally Posted by Sick

Or to reverse that argument, why should junior pilots subsidize the vastly higher salaries of senior pilots, for basically doing the same job (the former with much worse rosters)? Moreover, the pay is inadequate to meet supply/demand at the junior level, but pay could probably be greatly reduced at the senior level without significant attrition (because they're still on a good thing, compared to leaving to a job elsewhere.)

There are wide body FOs in the US making close to 500k USD. The only subsidising happening is UK pilots of all positions subsiding their employer’s profit.

[Plastic787]

Seen/experienced the cost of living over there nowadays? Admittedly it’s still good money but if you live anywhere close to a major/good city that $500k package doesn’t begin to look anywhere near as good.

In the San Francisco Bay Area now apparently you’re not above the poverty line until you’re earning over $125k and plenty would debate whether that’s a desirable area anyway (outside of downtown it still is).

[BitMoreRightRudder]

Originally Posted by Sick

Or to reverse that argument, why should junior pilots subsidize the vastly higher salaries of senior pilots, for basically doing the same job (the former with much worse rosters)? Moreover, the pay is inadequate to meet supply/demand at the junior level, but pay could probably be greatly reduced at the senior level without significant attrition (because they're still on a good thing, compared to leaving to a job elsewhere.)

Oh dear. Stop and think. If you really believe we should all get paid the same, BA will be only too happy to make that a reality. PP1 for all, forever. Better now?

[Sick]

Originally Posted by BitMoreRightRudder

Oh dear. Stop and think. If you really believe we should all get paid the same, BA will be only too happy to make that a reality. PP1 for all, forever. Better now?

Deliberately obtuse. The original hypothesis I responded to was positing that if there's basically a fixed pot of money for pilots, why should senior pilots "subsidize" better pay for junior pilots, (or verbatim "why should they be funding an increase in the starting salaries?") when the contrary is the more conspicuous [junior pilots subsidising senior pilots, doing essentially the same job. And frankly the selfish sense of entitlement of that statement got up my nose a bit, so it thoroughly deserves a challenge].

Purely hypothetically... If indeed, that pot is fixed, flat pay wouldn't be PP1, but PP15 or so, for all, and quality pilots would be banging the doors down to try and join (and still not many would leave, especially if highly seniority based rosters remain in force). And anyway, I'm not saying the pot is fixed or shouldn't be enlarged, or there should be a flat pay structure - but supply and demand of pilots at the top and bottom end does unequivocally demonstrate that the towering pay scale and QOL is far far too tall.

[737driver320]

Anyone that has done the sim assessment (A320 NTR BAEF) that might have some feedback please?

PM or here

Massively appreciate!

[ClearenceClarence]

At the risk of opening another can of worms regarding headset usage… I use an A20 at my current outfit, would I be allowed to use those in BA?

[mrguy]

Originally Posted by ClearenceClarence

At the risk of opening another can of worms regarding headset usage… I use an A20 at my current outfit, would I be allowed to use those in BA?

A reply a few pages back said the A20 are not on the approved list.

[hunterboy]

Blimey, at this rate BA will have you paying for your own meals and hotels next.

[MarkNYC]

Holding pool

Hi guys!
Has anyone received a verbal offer for long haul in the last couple of weeks?

Thank You!

[Logun94]

Hi everyone I'm sure this question has been asked a thousand times but I've had a good look through the thread and can't find the answer I'm looking for.
I've got the Eagle test booked for a few weeks time and have been told the maths questions in it are different to the skytest preparation software.
Could anyone whos done the test drop me a pm with the style of the question that is asked so I can practice.

Thanks In advance

[PPRuNeUser481044]

Can you apply if 200ish hours short of the 1500? To have the 1500 in time for the assessment

[TheAirMission]

Friend of mine joined with <1500 but would gain the required difference (think it was 90) over the 3 month notice period to joining BA. That was to go DE 777

[PPRuNeUser481044]

Originally Posted by TheAirMission

Friend of mine joined with <1500 but would gain the required difference (think it was 90) over the 3 month notice period to joining BA. That was to go DE 777

Ok great thanks

Did BA not say anything about ticking the box to state you have got the 1500?

[TheAirMission]

Originally Posted by tecnamflyer

Ok great thanks

Did BA not say anything about ticking the box to state you have got the 1500?

I wouldn't know, sorry.