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Reciprocal agreement with the EU on the transfer of UK CAA Flight Crew Licences.

Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:06
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Like I said you’ve clearly got a chip on your shoulder.

The UK has started imposing charges for EU carriers landing in the UK who haven’t yet negotiated block deals. This is but one of the many issues we all face as this political situation gets worse. If you support this madness you are in the wrong job.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:09
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What information is currently available to those EU nationals currently working for UK airlines who may be soon made redundant with UK licences and want to return to work in their homeland?
Your attitude stinks mate.

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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:16
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
Why didn't you convert your license?
This questions comes up all the time.

The simple answer is: It was never clear, in the months leading to the 31 December 2020, that for a UK licence holder, a student in the middle of training, transferring the licence was the best course of action AT THAT TIME. There were many risks involved.

By November or December 2020, when it was becoming more evident that there would be no immediate recognition of UK licences, a transfer was already too late in many cases. With the UK CAA not recommending any transfer past October. And many EASA NAA rejecting applications that were initiated in the last months/weeks of 2020 because they hadn't reached them in time (this is probably illegal, but go and spend the money, time and effort to prove them wrong...).
Rumours were circulating around ATOs that a last minute deal would include a 2 year grace period. Unfortunately it turned out that this grace period was only unilateral, not bilateral.

Now we have the benefit of hindsight and everybody who doesn't clearly understand the situation is saying: YOU SHOULD HAVE SOLIED, YOU IDIOT!
It was never that clear cut a few months ago.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:19
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Originally Posted by FlyingStone View Post
Except for EU citizens who happen to be living in the UK.
Precisely.

We are on the absolutely worst boat possible:
  • EU National
  • UK resident
  • UK licence holder
  • Not intending on staying in the UK past 2021 since I am sick of this bloody Brexit and distantiation from the EU.
  • If I can't obtain an EASA licence I will be "imprisoned" in the UK against my will.
  • Can't lobby EASA or EU MEPs because I don't have an EU MEP since I am a UK resident.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:23
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Originally Posted by Contact Approach View Post
What information is currently available to those EU nationals currently working for UK airlines who may be soon made redundant with UK licences and want to return to work in their homeland?
Your attitude stinks mate.
My attitude doesn't stink. It had been known for two years at least that this would come. Get a grip. Sorry for the EU nationals that were stuck with a UK operator and as I've said I would make it easy for them.
But you keep not getting it. You want to keep cherry picking in pure British style.

Enjoy your blue passport now.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:25
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Wrong. Wrong. Wrong. Absolutely wrong. Thousands of people SOLI'd their licenses out. Plenty of information and warnings were available. You failed to do your homework unless you were stuck with a UK operator that wouldn't allow you to SOLI your license. In this case you've got my sympathy.

My employer advised those 6 contractors, they were stubborn. Their contract was terminated.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:33
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Really? Taking it to the next level with personal offenses now? Did I touch a nerve?

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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:45
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Of course it is political . We need to get back to the simple concept of every nation having the right to establish a Regulatory Authority that issues it's own licence and sets it's own standards. Nations agreeing on similarity can just issue a validation. Some will not, in a ,sort of, tit for tat but understandable stance. US never gave us Brits an FAA ATR just because we had a UK ATPL. Reasoning was that we did not recognise the FAA ATR as the same standards as the UK. So, there ! Political, actually, not professionally reasonable.

Regulatory Authority Licencing Departments should be peopled by Professional or ex-professional pilots . Let the politicians take over the regulation and you have this mess.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 09:47
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EU citizens living outside the EU still can lobby their home countries MEPs, after all they remain citizens and are, at least in the countries i know, still able to vote even if outside the EU. But that might depend on member state. Living inside the EU they can vote for MEPs either in their home country or their country of residence obviously, not in both of them.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 11:31
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I'd support such agreement if it only applies to EU nationals that on the 31st Dec 2020 had/were studing for an EASA CPL.
As long as it means UK nationals can convert to EASA (which as of today has no saying in what the CAA can or can't do) I'm not signing it.

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Old 31st Mar 2021, 11:40
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Short answer. Because the UK has withdrawn from EASA the oversight and enforcement of which is the ECJ which the UK has demonstrated it does not want to be ruled by. This was all fully explained ad nauseum before during and after the UK vote. No body wanted to listen, because, well, bananas, 350M to the NHS etc. we wanted sovereign rule and autonomy. We have it. The consequences are clear and obvious. I feel for sorry for all avaiation licence holders. we were lied to by government, again. (I still have my letter from my MP assuring me that the UK would be staying in EASA).
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 12:02
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
But you won't be able to change country.

As for Ireland, get a validation. The rest is cherry picking.
Not true either. Any Brit married to an EU citizen retains the freedom of movement to follow their spouse around the EU.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 12:20
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Those justifying this stupidly serve only to prove Brexiteers correct. Very sad.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 12:30
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You're just labelling as "stupid" everyone disagreeing with you.

The UK voted to leave the EU and become a third country. Stop your (failed) cherry picking.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:21
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'ThIs Is WhAt YoU vOtEd FoR' - Such a narrow minded and simplistic view of a complex situation.

The level of bile in this thread is something else.

Facts are both the U.K. CAA and their counterparts in member states want reciprocity based on the same standards.

As for the politicians on either side....pigeons playing chess is all I can think about.

EU commission has forbidden EASA from discussing any sort of agreements on these things as everything is so politically charged right now.

Take the stupid politicians out of it and chances are things will be resolved very quickly.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:26
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No I’m just stating facts.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:35
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Well I could go to Vegas and marry the first woman I meet then. Where's my FAA certificate waiting for me now?

And that still is not unrestricted right to live and work in Europe.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:40
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Originally Posted by FlyingGreek View Post
Facts are both the U.K. CAA and their counterparts in member states want reciprocity based on the same standards.
EU pilots have nothing to gain from allowing an automatic conversion from UK CAA to EASA, even less if we also consider the new UK immigration system. This is a fact.
Stop the cherry picking.

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Those justifying this stupidly serve only to prove Brexiteers correct. Very sad.
This is an opinion, not a fact.
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:41
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So are you suggesting we Europeans should be given the boot from the U.K. then?
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Old 31st Mar 2021, 13:54
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What a load of a rubbish! Our European national carriers cherry pick also, setting language barriers and sometimes national service for entry.
You clearly care only for yourself. I see this as nothing but a bad result for everyone.

HP,

I just checked and we work for the same company... initially a UK airline that thrives on being European to it’s core.
Beggars belief! You ought to know better.

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