EASA licence rating/IR renewal

[bringbackthe80s]

Guys please help me as I am quite confused.

So, I have a current EASA licence with current Type Rating/IR still. I fly abroad on my other ICAO ATPL (same Type). So far I have been doing a sim check every year to keep my EASA TR and IR current, but this year it won't be possible due travel bans. I enquired my EASA aviation authority about inserting my ICAO Type on the EASA licence maybe with a restriction as I read on here many times, but they say it's not possible.

My question is, what is my best option now, take a quick course/check with an ATO within 3 years of expiry and it should be quick enough?Is this true, has anybody done this?
After how long exactly will I have problems with my EASA ATPL if I don't renew my IR ?

Same goes for the medical, I heard within 5 years I should be fine and it's an easy enough renewal. Is this confirmed?

Thanks

[maximus610]

Originally Posted by bringbackthe80s

...take a quick course/check with an ATO within 3 years of expiry and it should be quick enough?

If I'm not wrong, the 3 years requirement is already removed from FCL.

After how long exactly will I have problems with my EASA ATPL if I don't renew my IR ?

According to FCL.625 (e) as long as your ICAO type rating with IR is valid, you need only a proficiency check to renew EASA IR.

[kwaiyai]

Re, your medical you are correct about 5 years, I have copy pasted this from EASA website for your info.

regard's,

In the case of class 1 and class 2 medical certificates if the medical certificate has expired for less than 2 years, a routine revalidation aero-medical examination shall be performed;(ii)if the medical certificate has expired for more than 2 years but less than 5 years, the AeMC or AME shall only conduct the renewal aero-medical examination after assessment of the aero-medical records of the applicant;(iii)if the medical certificate has expired for more than 5 years, the aero-medical examination requirements for initial issue shall apply and the assessment shall be based on the revalidation requirements.

[sonicbum]

bringbackthe80s

Hi,

no big deal.

Check FCL.625 for the IR and FCL.740.
Basically as you are current on on a pilot licence issued by a third country in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention You have no issues, when possibile You will do Your proficiency check with no additional training. It could be in 10 years, as long as you keep current on your other ICAO licence you are good.

[bringbackthe80s]

Thanks so much, very good info.

maximus sorry what do you mean the 3 years no longer apply? So given I fly the same type on my icao licence, I can just take a proficiency check for my EASA type even after 10 years and revalidate it?

[sonicbum]

Yes, You can.
BTW, if You have expired ratings on your EASA for, let's say, 10 years on which you are also not current on the other ICAO licence, you don't have to go for a full type rating but it is up to the ATO to decide the amount of training required based on experience.
Typical example A380 guys with super expired A320/A330 ratings but with many hours on type. Refresher training, LPC and good to go.

[maximus610]

This is true unless you have the expired IR for more than 7 years, then you need to pass again the IR theoretical knowledge examination and skill test (FCL.625 (d)).

[sonicbum]

Holders of a valid IR on a pilot licence issued by a third country in accordance with Annex 1 to the Chicago Convention shall be exempted from complying with the requirements in points (c)(1) and (d) when renewing the IR privileges contained in licences issued in accordance with this Annex.

Easy access rules, august 2020

[awair]

7-year rule does not apply to holders of other ICAO licenses with IR:

FCL.625 (e) overrides FCL 625 (d).

[maximus610]

Exactly, but sonicbum mention in his post #6 that ICAO license not current either, hence FCL.625 (d) will apply...

[sonicbum]

Read post #6 again.

[bringbackthe80s]

awair

Great news, I had never heard this. Thanks guys

so to summarize: considering i keep flying the same type on my icao licence with a valid IR of course, even in 20 years (no more 3 years restriction) I can go to an EASA ATO, they decide I only need a couple of sessions (for example) + proficiency check and I am again current on type/IR on the EASA licence.

great, thanks

[Joe le Taxi]

Of course the ATOs discretion is key. I recently talked to a biz jet operator about going back on an old type, and it seems they have gravitated back to a five year limit, because my six years since last flight on type basically required a whole new course (CAE I think).

[sonicbum]

Yep... in the end business is business... some ATOs might ask you the same amount of training (and money) of a new type rating.
In Airbus land it’s easier as CCQs are very helpful in these contexts.

[Citation2]

If you hold a valid ICAO licence do you still need to go through an ATO that will provide a certificate with no training required or you can go to the proficiency check straight without ATO help?

[terra_nullius]

Best way is to do the 3rd Country type rating insertion which is a valid EASA Part.FCL option.
Most CAA's are swamped with (paper)work at the moment and they don't like it, but it cannot be refused.

If you are current on the type on your ICAO licence you will only require a Licence Skill Test without any ATO certificate.
If you not current you might need extra training, with the 2020 update of Part.FCL the ATO will decide if and how many extra training you will need, some times you can do with no training.

Also if you don't have a PBN endorsement then that will have to be added as well, as it is necessary for the IR on your ATPL.

Google for Vector Global Aviation or sent me a PM for the details, these guys are specialised in 3rd country insertions and are not charging you an arm and a leg