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IAG: BA restructuring may cost 12,000 jobs

Old 6th Sep 2020, 08:32
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I think one things for sure, if there’s a round 2 (and I can’t see how there won’t be at this point), BALPA will have very little input into the consultation this time.
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Old 6th Sep 2020, 18:17
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I had plan B mapped out back in May. Plan C is in development.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 08:31
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Shipping a coronavirus vaccine around the world will be the "largest transport challenge ever" according to the airline industry.

The equivalent of 8,000 Boeing 747s will be needed, the International Air Transport Association (IATA) has said.

There is no Covid-19 vaccine yet, but IATA is already working with airlines, airports, global health bodies and drug firms on a global airlift plan.

The distribution programme assumes only one dose per person is needed.

"Safely delivering Covid-19 vaccines will be the mission of the century for the global air cargo industry. But it won't happen without careful advance planning. And the time for that is now," said IATA's chief executive Alexandre de Juniac.

Have Ba been too quick to turn their 747 fleet into cans?
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 09:03
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Do you honestly think there is limited long haul airliner/cargo capacity out there at present? A global airlift plan will be required, as it was for PPE, but the capacity is there, it just needs organised. BA won't be bringing back any 74s.

The major difficulty of mass distributing a vaccine is the public health infrastructure on the ground, not to mention the publics willingness to actually be vaccinated - not the distribution between countries.
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Old 10th Sep 2020, 09:23
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There is no Covid-19 vaccine yet, but IATA is already working with airlines, airports, global health bodies and drug firms on a global airlift plan.
The distribution programme assumes only one dose per person is needed
Well first from what I read in the specialized press, an effective vaccine is likely to require 2 doses a few weeks/month apart, as the antibodies do not seem to last long against this virus. .
But that aside , most large countries have vaccine productions plants able to deliver enough for their local populations . ( i.e. China, India, Europe, USA, Japan , etc..) so the demand for air transport will be limited to smaller countries. and are likely to be a one-off run in a limited period of time . Do not really see the problem .

The major difficulty of mass distributing a vaccine is the public health infrastructure on the ground, not to mention the publics willingness to actually be vaccinated - not the distribution between countries.
Quite agree with that.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 11:42
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Any info on what the BA/Unite deal "in principle" is?
(Not that either BA or Unite have any principles)
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 12:15
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Cabin crew?

Not sure if this is what you refer to in the “BA/Unite “ agreement in principle, but a friend of mine who is WW cabin crew apparently got a letter (today?) stating his pay cut was now 15% and not the huge cut he was due on a new contract. Interesting that the winter schedule had huge cuts in it and yet a “softer “ deal has been done with Unite.
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Old 11th Sep 2020, 14:14
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There is also a lay off clause in the variation to the current contract. And a divide between MF and legacy pay even though they will work together. Fireworks.
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Old 13th Sep 2020, 22:51
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Wow

So people left on VR , only for the T&C’s to change again after they all left? They offered MF a small rise and Legacy a massive cut, now those are superseded again. Incredible.
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Old 14th Sep 2020, 11:10
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A lot of people who left on VR must be kicking themselves today.
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Old 14th Sep 2020, 12:51
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From what I've read it not themselves that they want to kick..
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 02:43
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Really?

autothrottle

Another "A friend of mine" post. I'm pretty sure that all the people who took VR were fully aware of the draconian cuts to their salaries and T&C's changes which led to their decision. Get "your friend" to post the letter they " apparently" got ?
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 11:22
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wascrew - The point is the T&Cs available to legacy crew prior to the VR commit date were changed after crew members had locked in their decision to leave...

As I understand it from friends who are former or current cabin crew, legacy and Mixed Fleet:

All the crew were made aware of the proposed significant changes to T&Cs well before their "decide" date.

On the basis of the information they had at their decision date many legacy crew chose to take VR (many left it until literally the last minute before pressing the exit button).

Very shortly thereafter the company and the Union suddenly reached agreement on changes to T&C that reduced the damage and made the T&Cs for those remaining somewhat less arduous.

Result is the legacy crew who chose to stay on at BA have certainly done better than they were expecting (,hence autothrottle's post)

Some of those that left BA via VR may feel slightly like they've been the victims of something a little, shall I say, questionable?

Having said that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't have happened this way if UNITE/BASSA had got into the room with BA a bit earlier than they did - who knows...

I do have some sympathy with some of those on legacy Fleet who took VR..I also have a lot of sympathy with Mixed Fleet.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 11:44
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The friend is a relative who is cabin crew. I won’t be asking them for their letter. My point was that the union that person belongs to has failed those that took VR in the most basic way. I thank you for you passive-agressive repost ,which probably explains your handle.
Now give me a good rate and jog on.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 13:28
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Thank you Wiggy . I guess this is a " rumours" forum so people CAN post heresay , unsubstantiated or not . Personally, I prefer hard facts particularly throughout all this Covid nonsense ,not just here but multiple other forums too. I subscribe,to many other forums ,one in particular is for serving or former crew members and I qualify as such,who were quite vociferous about the scandal of the " new" terms they were offered,which,as you say led to many of them making the decision to call it a day. No-one on that particular forum has mentioned these " revised" terms ,which is why I questioned the previous "friend of relative of" poster. If it is the case, that subsequently after Unite/Bassa eventually went to the negotiating table terms were changed, then shame on them! I will "jog on" until I have found out the facts !!
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 14:09
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Most of what I've seen from wiggy tends to be on the mark.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 14:36
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Wiggy speaks the truth. Now a 15% pay cut max for legacy crews. Slight increase for MF. The devil may well be in the detail though......
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 15:49
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Wiggy is entirely correct. I have two very good friends, married legacy CC, they did NOT take VR but were mightily upset at the expected pay reduction. They now feel that the actual reduction, overall, is much more tolerable.

BASSA are, and always have been, a dreadful union which has rarely ever looked after the best interests of its considerable membership.
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Old 15th Sep 2020, 16:17
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If anyone is really that interested the basics of the proposal can be found on the public BASSA site in the NEWS section

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Old 15th Sep 2020, 17:23
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From what I read here, wiggy is one of the few who gets his facts right. In my experience BASSA were always pretty useless.
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