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Old 15th Jun 2021, 05:31
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 05:37
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I was just being pedantic it was misspelt
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 06:19
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So is aviation becoming a closed shop now? BALPA only members get employed? What about pilots who are in the IPA or any other union or no union?

With regards to recruitment at TUI, I have it on good authority that to fly the plan in 2022 there would be a need for more pilots which is great news!

Off topic but the elephant in the room is already out of the bag: the recruitment of TCX DEC has caused a lot of bad feeling in the airline not least amongst those who were disadvantaged because of it. It might appear that BALPA had a big part to play in this not least because the chairman at the time of the CC wife was one of the ones employed (fact) but who knows? Well somebody does I guess. Im sure many of us have friends who lost their jobs at TCX, all I am sure very capable pilots who didnt get an interview, maybe they can try again for 2022?

Was it a sensible decision? Well if it was your business and you needed 50 captains to fly your boeings would you not look for rated pilots? After all type ratings arent cheap.

There is distrust amongst many of the pilots of the DFO who seems to be 'looking after his friends' and getting more than his fair share of flying which seems like a waste of resources when his time might be better spent doing his primary role. So as stated above, a breath of fresh air? I would say more of a dubious smell but some people like the smell of their own farts.

I'm sure the DFO is a smashing chap I just hope he isn't looking after his mates at the expense of business, but there is a lack of relevant communication so what do we know?

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Old 15th Jun 2021, 10:07
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I suppose in this highly stressful year it is inevitable that fear will drive people to think bad things. But it is worth remembering that when TCX went under, TUI were embarking upon expansion which they were going to struggle to fulfil if they had only promoted from within and recruited from low hours availability on the open market. Also worth a thought that at time, a mere 18m ago, there was a shortage of suitable candidates on that market. As you mention, if a well thought of, well trained, bunch of pilots were available, well, why not take them? At the time, it also was seen as hugely uplifting to see the union and a big employer working hard to tidy up the mess left by TCX. I have no doubt that the ramifications of that decision combined with Covid19 will be a drag on many pilots careers, especially those close to command and this will lead to dark muttering about collusion and favoritism. Its not going to help anyone, because the cause of the problem is outside the scope of any management.
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 11:19
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Of course, that's complete nonsense - If TUI UK DEC recruitment had been publicly opened up, there would have been a deluge of applications from experienced type rated captains. That, and rumours of shameless nepotism added just one more item to the now very long list why I cancelled by balpa membership, (though a revelation that any balpa CC member could be self serving, would be a surprise to, well .... pretty much nobody)!

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Old 15th Jun 2021, 11:31
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I have to agree, I had friends with 2 decades plus of command time on the 737 asking why they couldn't apply. After all TUI is the place people want to work and long may it stay this way!

I also know plenty of very competent first officers at TUI who know the operation, have a proven track record, have been identified as command suitable and were ready to go.
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 17:41
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Galley Cart ..

" the elephant in the room is already out of the bag "

Outstanding metaphor there ... big bag then ?
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Old 15th Jun 2021, 21:10
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If Tui had opened its recruitment to publicly, they would have indeed been inundated with applicants, can't argue with that. From an economic POV recruiting from the TCX pool was efficient and quality assured. Its so easy to forget the situation only 18 months ago where there was a real desire to help the unemployed pilots back into jobs. There were plenty that didn't get past application or the selection process.
Rumours without any proof are just that, rumours. Galley FM was never a good source to base an opinion or a decision.
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Old 16th Jun 2021, 19:17
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Just having a PPRuNe catchup and I read this

Nobody gives a damn about the Spanish based pilots and they never will. Nobody.
I am certain that the vast majority of the Jet2 staff do not feel this way, these comments are despicable🤬
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Old 25th Jun 2021, 12:46
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I've just heard cabin crew at TUI are facing redundancies.
just to clarify this its to reduce the headcount during the winter months.

and Sid Plate, yes of course its a big bag, it had an elephant in it, and a cat.

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Old 25th Jun 2021, 20:01
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Some updated models

https://www.eurocontrol.int/publicat...date-2021-2024
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Old 1st Jul 2021, 17:01
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Bit of a shock today hearing that TUI are closing their Edinburgh base, even though yesterday balpa hinted that everything is just fine.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 11:18
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JET2 update

Via PM: Bad taste among the pilot community at what has come across as deception by the company. Company agreed via BALPA to back track yet again on increasing pay from the current 70%, the next day it emerges that cabin crew, engineers and managers will have their pay increased up to 90%. Initially company refused to comment but have recognised the distaste and sent out an email from the top explaining that pilots are essentially already getting too much and that they were losing people to non flying roles because the 70% pay was too low. Has pissed alot of people off particularly the trainers who have been working full time throughout. No choice but to accept for now but yet another own goal that will cost them crew once opportunities open up elsewhere.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 12:00
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More trouble at mill. Well it is what it is. Many are experiencing tough times, many tougher than our industry.
Just need to be able to deal with things. Life is tough for many, too many truth be told, but what can one do.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 20:06
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Hey Whitemonk, trying to make a story where there isn’t one. You should work for the media! Yes, there is an argument the trainers should have been paid more. I would not have argued against it. I also think being paid 75k a year to be sat on my @rse is not such a bad gig. Some pilots will not get back into a cockpit until next year. How can you pay an employee 100% for nearly 2 years when your outgoings far outweigh any monies received? Talking to many of my colleagues, we can see the pay will remain at less than 100% to at least 1 April next year. Do we want this, no. But at the end of the day, we will all have jobs. And when things do pick up, then I think that the company will want to thank us. Call me delusional🤪
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 20:33
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Indeed, what a "horrible" deal it is to be holding a job with a stable company and hardly doing any flying for "only" 70% of your salary... Think of what many pilots have been through in the past 15 months, with no clear end in sight, including TRIs, TREs, wide-body and narrow-body Captains with a five-digit number of hours etc. Then you might appreciate that it's actually not that bad.
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Old 7th Jul 2021, 20:38
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what airline can be described as “Stable” right now? 🤦🏼‍♂️
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 08:33
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Yes you are delusional, the majority of the pilot body is on nowhere near 75k. And as for the thanking you part, well I'll let you figure that part out down the line.
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 08:36
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Nearly 1387 million in the bank (not including customer money) after a 373.8m loss. That’s how stable😳
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Old 8th Jul 2021, 08:45
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sure, course they do. If you believe that 🤣

Sort of makes a mockery for the 102 pilot redundancies last year and the fact they’re increasing everyone’s pay apart from the non management pilot work force.
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