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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 19:28
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
I'm thinking far more in long term. Little 'blips' can always be ironed out (e.g. a period of winter snow closing airports and sending things out of kilter). It's the long term wind downs or, even worse, shut downs that will cause the money to dry up.

Borrowing? Which bank or institution is going to lend to any airline right now? Banks have pulled the plug on airlines in major crises in the past.

I'm not trying to be unfairly hard on anyone, just trying to correct any "I'm entitled to to my current pay" misconceptions. If the money isn't there you're not 'entitled' to anything.
So it would seem this particular debate hinges upon ones perception of how long term you think this event will be - and thats anyones guess at this stage.

As for who would lend money to airlines; I'd say they have a plethora of credit options should they need them (many don't at this point in time!). Not least, Mr Sunaks latest offerings.

Anyhow, good luck out there. I firmly believe that whats good for one, is good for all in our pilot community. We're all in it together - and I for one will continue commend and support my colleagues standing up for their own rights.
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Old 22nd Mar 2020, 23:55
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Where is the money coming from? If the customers are gone, so is the money. By all means ask for anything you want, but if the money is not there, then the money is not there and you are unlikely to get it. And I cannot see that the taxpayers, who are under huge strain themselves right now, would be happy to 'bail out' EasyJet captains for their pay. So, Ill ask again: Where is the money coming from?

(And I won't listen to any socialist ramblings, when the origin of this current problem was a communist run country.)
Think youíll find that the origin was a virus......... Sounds like a little Donnie Trump quote!
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 11:36
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The cause was a virus. What was the geographical origin of that cause?
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 11:51
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Originally Posted by ItsonlyMeagain View Post
Err....

As an ex TCX Captain, 2 months unemployed, then a Flybe Captain, again unemployed, how do you think we feel.

Current on the 330, 320 and Q400 and no prospect of a job. A cut is bad, but no job is worse.

Me
Maybe post the Corona contract for people to see and they might react differently!

Whatever about people not having jobs, etc itís totally irrelevant here and please dont be bitter they still have jobs!

As things stands a lot of employers are using this very fragile and harsh times to downgrade the contracts as quick as possible while blaming the corona, and the problem here if you havenít saw the new ezy TCs is that this is not only while the crisis last but a complete new contract that goes deep into the future.

A new fos CU upgrade pay freeze to for 1st year as a CPT but on an FOs salary? Is this fair to you?
A 2 captains doing the same job, same responsibilities and one getting an FO salary?
And many many more!!

It looks like PB brought the culture with him and applied the copy/paste and even worse. I wonder is he getting a nice bonus for such enormous saving to the company.

Kick them when theyíre down, springs to mind!



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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 16:29
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Barking....they have had it so good for so long.

This thing is going to go on for a long time. The economic consequences are beyond huge.

It will probably take until a vaccine is available before we can really put this to bed and that's got to be at least a year.

Worried about terms and conditions? My goodness. I'd be more worried about food and shelter.

Welcome to the planet where the local time is some point on 29 Oct 1929. Only this one is going to knock the planet far, far worse. Not only with regard to the virus, but the world economy.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 16:54
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Originally Posted by polkadotwellies View Post
I've had more failures than this guys had hot dinners - worried about work patterns? Come back in 2021 and let us know how much your world has changed.
Fatigue won't be an issue for Easyjet crews - I'd just be worried if I was on the rock n roll - you're going to get plenty of time to rest between now and whenever this sad situation finishes
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 16:59
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I can't believe this help the 'poor easyjet' thread is still kicking about and hasn't been locked and closed.

It's a huge slap in the face to every pilot and aviation worked on here, let alone the ones already laid off, furloughed, or made redundant.

Selfish and ignorant.

If anyone has anything specific to rant about Covid19, there's quite a few specific threads going.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 17:05
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Originally Posted by waco View Post
Barking....they have had it so good for so long.

This thing is going to go on for a long time. The economic consequences are beyond huge.

It will probably take until a vaccine is available before we can really put this to bed and that's got to be at least a year.

Worried about terms and conditions? My goodness. I'd be more worried about food and shelter.

Welcome to the planet where the local time is some point on 29 Oct 1929. Only this one is going to knock the planet far, far worse. Not only with regard to the virus, but the world economy.
Are you just going to cruise the board predicting the end of the world on every thread?

Give it up. Weíre in uncharted territory. Youíve no more idea than anyone else.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 17:28
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Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post
I can't believe this help the 'poor easyjet' thread is still kicking about and hasn't been locked and closed.

It's a huge slap in the face to every pilot and aviation worked on here, let alone the ones already laid off, furloughed, or made redundant.

Selfish and ignorant.

If anyone has anything specific to rant about Covid19, there's quite a few specific threads going.
Have you read the comments preceeding yours?

We are not allowed to help collegues in a current struggle because we might offend some who has been made redundant in the past? To avoid future threads being locked and closed, who should we approach for moral approval to post - you?

Selfish and ignorant.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 17:42
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Quite correct...I have no more idea than anyone else.....but things will not be the same either. Aeroplanes and flying will be a very low priority as far as business and leisure travel are concerned. EZY crew have had an exceptional run and I find this thread insulting and yes I am ex EZY.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 17:46
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Originally Posted by woptb View Post
......... Sounds like a little Donnie Trump quote!
Ahh... that favourite way of attempting to shut down discussion. That comment says a lot about you.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 17:55
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Originally Posted by RogueOne View Post
I can't believe this help the 'poor easyjet' thread is still kicking about and hasn't been locked and closed.

It's a huge slap in the face to every pilot and aviation worked on here, let alone the ones already laid off, furloughed, or made redundant.

Selfish and ignorant.

If anyone has anything specific to rant about Covid19, there's quite a few specific threads going.
Was there ever any "Please support Monarch, Thomas Cook, BMI Regional or Flybe Pilots and Cabin Crew" Thread. The EasyJet crews all have one huge advantage over those other airlines mentioned: They have jobs.

I agree about the "Selfish and ignorant".

I don't agree with the Thread being locked or closed. Censorship is never a good thing. (Mods, please note!) Keeping this Thread going helps to highlight how selfish some people are and that is a good thing. Why just EasyJet? Why not support ALL Pilots and Cabin Crew who are facing a very, very, very uncertain future? Stop being "me, myself" and think of others too.
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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 23:53
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
Was there ever any "Please support Monarch, Thomas Cook, BMI Regional or Flybe Pilots and Cabin Crew" Thread. The EasyJet crews all have one huge advantage over those other airlines mentioned: They have jobs.
Im not EZY member, but I fully support them!

Question raised, why there wasnít support about Monarch, Thomas, Flybee, etc...

Because this is about Easy. And the company thats doing well and has massive cash flows, unlike above mentioned companies that couldnít even make in the top of boom!

Take your bitterness away and stop barking at the wrong door. Its not these guys fault you havenít got a job.
Iím in the same boat at the moment , but I aint gonna begrudge guys for trying to keep the T&Cs to some standard atleast, before every other airline takes it to another level!

As things stand and with attitude displayed here ,we might all be working for less then McDonalds guys serving burger on a first ever job when things get back on its feet!

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Old 23rd Mar 2020, 23:53
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The proposed changes can hardly be considered cost-saving initiatives, so what is the point of them other than an ex-Ryanair hammer thinking everything is a Ryanair nail. Trying to push through a bunch of "may last airline did it like this" changes on the back of a crisis and attempting to get it through before the government announced any initiatives and months before any indication of how this crisis was going to pan out is acceptable, but only because some other airlines were commercial failures on their own...?
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 08:38
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Letís just get this right, itís not about keeping jobs or pay cuts its just simply about not letting one particular new COO use COVID19 to destroy contractual t and cís like allowing disruption of short notice schedule changes, ground based office duties when unable to fly etc. As if it happens in one place the doors open for this to happen elsewhere. Pay cuts yes anything else non pay related no. This airline is a happy place to work and we donít want to see an outsider come in and try his luck.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 08:46
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I agree with the three previous posts. This ex-Ryanair Sc*mbag must not get his way.
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Old 24th Mar 2020, 09:58
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Originally Posted by 733driver View Post
I agree with the three previous posts. This ex-Ryanair Sc*mbag must not get his way.
Firstly, I have a lot sympathy for all colleagues who are going through hard times due to Covid-19.
Secondly, have you thought at all that the EZY CEO might have instructed the new COO to save cost? Regardless where the COO is from, EZY is still paying £170m dividend to their shareholders. Don't you think that's a bit controversial? Don't see any connections with Ryanair here so you just having your daily Ryanair rant (since 2002) in a thread that has nothing to do with Ryanair.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 01:41
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When all this is over, youíll be lucky if you still have a flying job.

Easyjet is a low-cost airline - if theyíre still a going concern following a period of making absolutely NO money and deciding to pay out £170m in dividends and the overheads are too high, then theyíll have to lower them until they do. Thatís their business model...

Iíd forego that free cup of tea and a sandwich if it meant I could maintain my flying career AND put food on the table for my loved ones.

Be realistic - post-COVID-19 aviation will be a different landscape for all concerned and probably for some time, sadly.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 01:53
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Originally Posted by AirUK View Post
Be realistic - post-COVID-19 aviation will be a different landscape for all concerned and probably for some time, sadly.
Whist I think this thread was started with good intentions, OP didn't consider his audience - made up of many jobless pilots of which I have the utmost sympathy for.

The problem with the offer from easyjet was the period of time laid out. They proposed (along with unpaid leave in the short term) a slashing of terms for 18 months which a length of time just plucked out of thin air. A reasonable approach would have been initially, a short term solution (2 or 3 months of unpaid leave) and use that downtime to asess what direction the market is going by the early summer and then propose further solutions and compromises. Perhaps we'll find out that their initial offering was nowhere near strong enough to make enough of a difference to protect jobs. Reassessments will most likely lead to more unpaid leave or the blunt reality that terms will then have to be slashed if we are to survive. If they're not flying over 2-3 months, then any change in terms now is redundant, so the rush is therefore clearly a land grab. I don't see any other reason to make those demands from their employees at this stage. When we start flying, I realise that easyjet might need some more operational flexibility from its crew, but that can be discussed then when the dust has begun to settle.

I apprecieate many have been made redundant over the last 3 years but that wasn't the case at easyjet, it remained profitable throughout its lifespan, so the rush to the bottom seems either like an overreaction, or the ryanair style land grab proposed.
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Old 25th Mar 2020, 08:48
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Originally Posted by BoeingLudo737 View Post
Firstly, I have a lot sympathy for all colleagues who are going through hard times due to Covid-19.
Secondly, have you thought at all that the EZY CEO might have instructed the new COO to save cost? Regardless where the COO is from, EZY is still paying £170m dividend to their shareholders. Don't you think that's a bit controversial? Don't see any connections with Ryanair here so you just having your daily Ryanair rant (since 2002) in a thread that has nothing to do with Ryanair.
It's not exactly a daily anti-Ryanair rant, is it? And I do believe it's not undeserved, either. But keep on defending Ryanair if it makes you feel better. Don't expect people to agree with you, though. I have a feeling most won't.

Back to topic. I feel truly sorry and upset for everyone who might lose their jobs. I feel almost equally sorry for those who have to face scumbag management types who are willing to pay dividends to shareholders while attempting to cut the terms and conditions of their employees.



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