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Old 1st Jan 2020, 12:59
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Join Date: Jan 2006
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SAS (Stockholm)
A320 FO, 1st year
Ä43k gross (incl taxable per diem)
583 hours/293 sectors (1,350 hours duty)
Average about 3-4 nights away/ month

First 2,5 months were in training.
5 weeks of unpaid leave (parental), a couple of unpaid sick days.
Pension contribution approximately 4,5%

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Old 1st Jan 2020, 12:59
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Join Date: May 2008
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KLM
FO 777 (since june 2019. FO737 before that)

2019= Ä187.465
3 to 4 trips a month; company pays 45% pension contribution, aiming for retirement at 58.

Flown 680hrs last year.
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Old 1st Jan 2020, 14:54
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Originally Posted by FlightDetent View Post
For the US salaries, what would be the coefficient from GROSS to NET ? Once you retire over there, would the medical insurance cover still continue?
My overall tax rate, including SS, Medicare, and state taxes is 31% +/- a couple of tenths. Estimate came out to be 30.5% - 31.2%. At a certain point all of your deductions stay the same and any additional income is taxed at 45.2% (federal income tax, state income tax, Medicare 1.2%).

That is for the highest earning bracket. Income tax brackets go up, SS is 6% up to $133K, and Medicare is 1.2% across the board. So the more you make after $133K the lower the effective tax rate from SS (eff. 3% at $266K income, 2% at $399K, etc). So federal and state income tax goes up, SS goes down, and Medicare stays flat as a percentage of income at higher income totals.

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Old 1st Jan 2020, 16:32
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Swiss
FO LH (changed from SH in 2019), 7th year
gross= ~120.000CHF (incl. bonus, excl. ~10k per diems & ~20k pension)
SH 9-11 days off per month, 10-15 nightstopps
LH around 4 trips, 12-15 days off
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Old 1st Jan 2020, 22:38
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Originally Posted by dirk85 View Post
All the americans have little to brag, because we all remember not many years ago when a regional FO was making less than 20k USD gross. Less than the receptionist mentioned above.
They make more in good times, but when s**t hits the fan, furloughs and pay cuts hit much harder on that side of the pond.
And I would rather be unemployed in good old europe, compared to the states.
whatís the point of your post? The times of the low regional pilot pay in the US was definitely made worse by the supply and demand, which I think Europe is seeing now. I doubt youíll ever see regional wages in the US going back that much. Even in a downturn.

having been unemployed on both sides of the pond, I can tell you itís equally painful on both sides. That said, in Europe itís often misunderstood that there is actually an unemployment benefit in the US. Itís changed a lot in Europe too. In Germany (for example) you receive a lot less and for a shorter time, than was historically received. In France it might still be the best place to be unemployed... Iím not sure. In any case, I donít find much value in your post and Iím wondering if I misunderstood your point. I wish the best for pilots everywhere! Let us all see improvements in our profession.

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Old 1st Jan 2020, 22:47
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12 yr wide body FO cargo US. Gross $339k (includes company $33k into retirement and per diem) worked 13 days a month. I worked some extra trips when called... which they did call.

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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 07:35
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Originally Posted by oboema View Post

aiming for retirement at 58.

Flown 680hrs last year.
This guy gets it. Gelukkig Nieuwjaar!
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 09:01
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Originally Posted by hunterboy View Post
Letís hope no US legacy pilot posts otherwise it will really upset the Europeans.
Or... let's hope no Europeans mention functioning and accessible public health care and schooling systems (including universities). It might upset Americans

It goes both ways. Hard to compare net salary as it's not apples to apples.
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 09:23
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Join Date: Aug 2007
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easyJet Captain continental base.
187,000 € including flight pay, but excluding a pitiful 5.5% pension.
650 block hours in the last year, 12-13 days off per month with fixed roster pattern plus 30 days annual leave.
No nightstops except for twice to the sim per year.

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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 14:41
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Originally Posted by derjodel View Post
Or... let's hope no Europeans mention functioning and accessible public health care and schooling systems (including universities). It might upset Americans

It goes both ways. Hard to compare net salary as it's not apples to apples.
There is a saying, ďOnce youíve lived in more than one place, youíre not happy anywhere.Ē When Iím in the US, I miss things back in Europe. When Iím in Europe, I miss things in the states. There are parts of society in both places that are fantastic and enviable. I wonít go into my preferences, but Iíll say both sides have their advantages.

I used to say we both have stability and the rule of law, but thatís now a bit crazy! Austria has has some right wing nuts, the UK is going through a bit of what the US is going through. And France is... well, France! Itís crazy times!
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 18:02
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Also worth bearing in mind c.10-11 years ago the USD/GBP fx rate was c.2.1/1 on what was then considerably lower salaries across the board in the US combined with considerable furloughs/uncertainty.

As somebody else alluded to; element of apples and oranges and I remain hopeful the pendulum will swing back a bit at some point!
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 20:27
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Full time contract.
200 Days Off per year, evenly spread through the year (that is exactly the same in any 'currency' and totally non-taxable!).
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 20:31
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post


It doesnít matter whether it provides a decent living or not, itís about reward for responsibility and for your expertise.
giggitygiggity has summed this up quite well in Post #7.
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 20:45
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Originally Posted by NoelEvans View Post
giggitygiggity has summed this up quite well in Post #7.
But they are incorrect. Weíd all like it to be.. but the reality is that itís market forces and a shortage of pilots is the only thing that will drive up the remuneration
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Old 2nd Jan 2020, 23:37
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zero/zero, I fully agree. You can earn what your customers can afford you to earn. In some places they can afford less and it is cheaper to live there, then you will earn less. As simple as that. In some stages of economic cycles your customers can afford less so you will earn less. Your expertise is only valuable when it is in short supply. When the economic cycle, or whatever other factor comes into play, results in there being too many with your expertise, you will earn less. Ask pilots at Thomas Cook, Monarch, Astraeus, Baby, Gill ... ... Dan Air, Orion,etc., etc. And looking further afield, Primera, Wow, Air Berlin, Sabena, Swissair, Pan Am, TWA, Braniff and so on and on and on. When the money dries up your 'expertise' is worth nowt. As you pointed out, it's market forces dear boy, market forces.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 05:29
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Cathay Dragon (Hong Kong based)
A330
Captain
Expat B Contract
Just over HKD3,000,000 including housing and school fees.
8-11 G days per month
10 weeks leave by attaching days off to leave (set to reduce to 6-7 we hear in 2021, no more attaching days off to leave)
Lots of change coming
Don't care though, resigning soon, money bucket has enough in it, shit bucket filling up rapidly!
Avoid joining on current contracts....
Glad to be on my way soon.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 08:41
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Thomas Cook Airlines
RHS
A321
Hours flown = 0
Salary = 0
Days off = 365
Pension = 100%
Day off payment incentive doesn't really exist.
Uniform is dirt proof.
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Old 3rd Jan 2020, 08:41
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Joining Big Airways on the A320 so good to see the input.
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Old 4th Jan 2020, 07:36
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easyJet
RHS A320 regional base
Net pay for 2019 was £45K however I only started getting sector pay midway into the year so the tax year (Apr 19- Apr 20) will be nearer to £49K
720 hours
No nightstops
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Old 4th Jan 2020, 21:30
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easyJet, London base
4+ years, take home average £4500/month (bond scheme), 7% pension
650 hours, fixed pattern, 12/13 DO per month plus 25 days leave
3 nightstops in more than 4 years.
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