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Old 11th Jun 2019, 21:27
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post


I am always amazed at how different other peoples pay is compared to mine. When I was at QR about 5 years ago as a SH FO I was making about £5500 a month maximum of which I could transfer home about £4K if I was lucky. The base pay at EK is 26k AED and hourly pay is 60AED say you do 100 a month (lucky you) and thatís a total of 32k AED a month. Even at these unpredicted exchange rates thatís £6800 (and thatís at spot exchange rates not what you will actually get). Itís good money but a long way short of the 10k, unless you live in a flat share or a tent I canít see how you get to 10k a month.
if you take the accommodation allowance to buy a property in Dubai itís close to 10k a month all in as FO, but you will need 100k cash towards the deposit and fees to get a small 3 bed. Almost all the allowance will be used up on the mortgage, high utility bills, insurance, compound management, repairs etc. But itís a free house from the airline, and yours to keep! Not many carriers offer that, along with the executive car chauffeur drive to work. 😀
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 21:41
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Originally Posted by Enzo999 View Post


I am always amazed at how different other peoples pay is compared to mine. When I was at QR about 5 years ago as a SH FO I was making about £5500 a month maximum of which I could transfer home about £4K if I was lucky. The base pay at EK is 26k AED and hourly pay is 60AED say you do 100 a month (lucky you) and thatís a total of 32k AED a month. Even at these unpredicted exchange rates thatís £6800 (and thatís at spot exchange rates not what you will actually get). Itís good money but a long way short of the 10k, unless you live in a flat share or a tent I canít see how you get to 10k a month.
32k AED plus 14k AED accommodation allowance totals 46k AED, which at todayís rate is Ä11,050/£9,850.
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Old 11th Jun 2019, 23:26
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post


if you take the accommodation allowance to buy a property in Dubai itís close to 10k a month all in as FO, but you will need 100k cash towards the deposit and fees to get a small 3 bed. Almost all the allowance will be used up on the mortgage, high utility bills, insurance, compound management, repairs etc. But itís a free house from the airline, and yours to keep! Not many carriers offer that, along with the executive car chauffeur drive to work. 😀
Just out of curiosity, about buying property in Dubai... of course it sounds interesting to get a "free house from the airline"
But how easy is to sell it when you decide is time to go home? And also putting 100k from your own money in such a unstable market... sounds discouraging. I'm not sure if I would take this allowance instead of the company accomodation. Not to mention, if you get in trouble in Dubai or EK, you will end up with a huge debt.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 00:49
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It's a moot point anyway if the accommodation allowance isn't available to new joiners.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Stocious View Post
It's a moot point anyway if the accommodation allowance isn't available to new joiners.
Remains available to those who have purchased in the city.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:24
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Originally Posted by PorridgeStirrer View Post


32k AED plus 14k AED accommodation allowance totals 46k AED, which at todayís rate is Ä11,050/£9,850.
Standard is Company accommodation, either a flat or a villa. The only way to get the allowance in cash is if you buy a property in Dubai.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 08:28
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Originally Posted by Ex-Brazilian View Post
Just out of curiosity, about buying property in Dubai... of course it sounds interesting to get a "free house from the airline"
But how easy is to sell it when you decide is time to go home? And also putting 100k from your own money in such a unstable market... sounds discouraging. I'm not sure if I would take this allowance instead of the company accomodation. Not to mention, if you get in trouble in Dubai or EK, you will end up with a huge debt.
Yepp, a lot of guys learned it the hard way. Iíd think twice to purchase in Dubai. The current political climate in the region isnĎt helpful.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 12:44
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Originally Posted by ExDubai View Post

Standard is Company accommodation, either a flat or a villa. The only way to get the allowance in cash is if you buy a property in Dubai.
Not strictly true. If you join from an another Dubai based operator, you can continue to claim the allowance.

But if hard cash is the motivator, youíd be better off joining flydubai in the first place. (Upgrade at 2.5 years). Especially for a stint under 10 years.
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 13:26
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Originally Posted by Yorkshire_Pudding View Post
I think If you outright reject the BA course offer for another job, you wont be offered re-assessment in the future. That door could be firmly closed.

Ps. Please come back and tell us what you have decided!
Is that an official policy? If it is then BA sounds charming. You might have a million valid reasons for turning them down at that point. If the door is to remain closed after that, then is that the kind of company you want to work for?
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Old 12th Jun 2019, 15:54
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Originally Posted by giggitygiggity View Post
Is that an official policy? If it is then BA sounds charming. You might have a million valid reasons for turning them down at that point. If the door is to remain closed after that, then is that the kind of company you want to work for?
A colleague turned them down, then applied again a year later with no joy. Like you say, everyoneís circumstances will be different.
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Old 13th Jun 2019, 02:40
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Ok as everyone seems to be talking about financial package I will another variable.
If possible you buy property to rent before you plan a move to EK. Renting a property in your home country while EK pick up the tab in DXB.

Depending on your situation and figures working with could even be earning more than Asia figures.
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Old 15th Jun 2019, 20:34
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To put it as simply as I can, go to BA if you want more control over your lifestyle, or go to EK if you want quicker career progression and/or a greater ability to earn more sooner. However, as has already been said, EK is no longer as financially lucrative as it used to be.

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Old 17th Jun 2019, 19:21
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Originally Posted by Emma Royds View Post
To put it as simply as I can, go to BA if you want more control over your lifestyle, or go to EK if you want quicker career progression and/or a greater ability to earn more sooner. However, as has already been said, EK is no longer as financially lucrative as it used to be.

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
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Old 17th Jun 2019, 19:51
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Originally Posted by xwindflirt View Post

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Exactly!! Probably a good few years before it becomes worthwhile as well, might as well have earned a lot more money with EK even though they have their problems as well.

Simply put, BA is no longer what they used to be, the airline has been destroyed.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 05:56
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Originally Posted by xwindflirt View Post

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Thats utter cr*p. You may have less control, you still have control enough to shape your roster. If you are talking about wanting x trip on y day, sure. But if you want to build a block of free days, drop a trip in exchange for earned credit, or want a particular destination, a combination of smart bidding and trip swaps can give you this. 😎
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 06:47
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Originally Posted by xwindflirt View Post

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Regardless of what bid system is in use at BA, there is Part Time working available and EK refuses to embrace this concept. For that reason alone, lifestyle at BA wins comfortably.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 08:12
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Originally Posted by xwindflirt View Post

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
im junior and I have control....
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 08:27
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Originally Posted by xwindflirt View Post

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
I am extremely junior (>90% down my list) and what makes it bearable is the swapping. I get nothing i want from JSS but can often get a good roster by swapping. It helps living close to base and being flexible.
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 17:22
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Originally Posted by xwindflirt View Post

except junior bods have next to no control under JSS now.
Same like EK
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Old 18th Jun 2019, 17:33
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Originally Posted by ExDubai View Post

Same like EK
Senior Bods have not control at EK. We do not have a bidding system, we have a "roster optimisation system". Optimised for the company that is, not the crew.

BA vs. EK? I can't believe anybody can even ask the question.
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