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Don’t forget the ‘they’ is the pilot workforce who voted it in......funny how I never seem to fly with anyone who voted ( or admits to having voted) for it. Strange world. My view at the time was quite simplistic, if the company wants the new system (JSS) in place of the old (Bidline) , then it will certainly benefit the company. And yet, the pilot workforce voted it in...go figure.
I didn't vote for either......!!!!!
What got missed by some (wishful thinking?) was that there was actually an element of fairness built onto the line bidding system.... .if you wanted plum trip A you may well have to also do duff trip B, though of course the savvy could mitigate some of the rubbish.
Chuck in the fact the vote on JSS was conflated with the issue of flying pay and Bingo.
What got missed by some (wishful thinking?) was that there was actually an element of fairness built onto the line bidding system.... .if you wanted plum trip A you may well have to also do duff trip B, though of course the savvy could mitigate some of the rubbish.
Chuck in the fact the vote on JSS was conflated with the issue of flying pay and Bingo.
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I get the same dross I got before but now it is minimum rest and 5-6 day blocks. The nice surprise trips I used to get have vanished. Early to late reports and 4 sector day trips. 9 weeks in and I am going to have to bring it up at my medical. I can’t sleep properly, I have fell asleep in my uniform in a service station and I show signs of fatigue or possibly depression. Still “Let’s chat” said NP........shame no f#£ker is listening.
Its not the volume of work, it’s the construction of the work and the intensity of it. Mentally I am exhausted.
Its not the volume of work, it’s the construction of the work and the intensity of it. Mentally I am exhausted.
The flexible credited hours target is still there...(as was the case in the final days of Bidline), but the problem (one of many) is it’s magnitude...and that is a function of the pilot establishment and flying programme....variables that are firmly in the hands of the company.
One big problem at the moment - it appears easier under JSS for senior bidders to get a higher percentage of high credit trips than under Bidline (despite continuing attempts by pilot reps to reduce that ability through putting blockers/inhibitors into the software) this is leading to some junior pilots picking up multiple multiple low credit trips...and that’s just one issue for starters, I’m not sure we have time or space to talk about all the other gripes, such as how quickly the system gives up on looking at junior pilots preferences for trips, or has to ignore preferences, in order to get the work covered by the available pilots.....
One big problem at the moment - it appears easier under JSS for senior bidders to get a higher percentage of high credit trips than under Bidline (despite continuing attempts by pilot reps to reduce that ability through putting blockers/inhibitors into the software) this is leading to some junior pilots picking up multiple multiple low credit trips...and that’s just one issue for starters, I’m not sure we have time or space to talk about all the other gripes, such as how quickly the system gives up on looking at junior pilots preferences for trips, or has to ignore preferences, in order to get the work covered by the available pilots.....
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Mandatory reporting
These levels of fatigue all sound quite terrible. For everyone one’s sake I hope that you file fatigue reports and forward them to CAA and also report not fit when deemed necessary.
I think historically at BA there’s a been a bit of reluctance to report fatigue (after all we had Bidline...best rostering system in the world, etc, so there couldn’t be any fatigue......) and that in turn appeared to lead to a mindset by some in management that BA pilots simply can’t have fatigue problems.
Fortunately that is now changing (at the pilot level) -and IMHO some of that change is driven by to DEPs coming into BA from other airlines which have a slightly more enlightened and modern attitude to fatigue and the reporting of fatigue
Fortunately that is now changing (at the pilot level) -and IMHO some of that change is driven by to DEPs coming into BA from other airlines which have a slightly more enlightened and modern attitude to fatigue and the reporting of fatigue
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Direct entry long haul did indeed get a whole lot more
With shorthaul comparing the JSS junior roosters to the old blind lines it looks very similar. The group of junior pilots does look a bit bigger under JSS. The criticism from the other SH pilots (non junior >40% of the bottom) is the amount of tempering of the system the BALPA reps are doing. The amount of destinations with inhibitors on them is just getting ridiculous (39 destinations) Quiet a few complain emails have gone to the guys doing all this tempering with regards to what on earth they did with the April bid.
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This type of seniority-based rostering feels so archaic, I understand that everyone who has been in the system for several years want to get their time to get a good roster but to judge junior pilots spare time as less important than others is quite strange. I fully support that seniority rules upgrades and fleets and so on but everyones time off and chance to spend it with family should all be treated equal.
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I once had a Pilot who hadn't flown in a month and he still complained about the flight assigned. Trying to keep "Nigels" happy is something that's for the best part of 40 years been really hard to achieve....
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Can anyone explain how JSS was sold to the pilots? As it seems to me, BA had massive crewing headaches and wee unable to fill lines of work under Bidline; so JSS was mostly beneficial to rostering and crewing?
As you can probably tell, I’m not BA however the current system seems to be a real sh1tfest for junior crew. I realise pprune is far from a true reflection however there are some horror stories. I hope you make it bex88; look after yourself. I’ve felt how you’re feeling.
As you can probably tell, I’m not BA however the current system seems to be a real sh1tfest for junior crew. I realise pprune is far from a true reflection however there are some horror stories. I hope you make it bex88; look after yourself. I’ve felt how you’re feeling.