Airline gender pay gap
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These are the times we are living in;
"EasyJet has set itself a target that a fifth of all new pilots recruited should be female by 2020"
Ridiculous
"EasyJet has set itself a target that a fifth of all new pilots recruited should be female by 2020"
Ridiculous
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From: FUBAR
Given the number of female Candidates on the market, they will then leave themselves open to charges of positive discrimination by the male workforce ? ? WTF ? ?.
AFAIK, in every company I have worked in, pilots & CC were of course paid exactly the same regardless of gender . . . a non-starter in aviation methinks. Move along there, nothing to see.
AFAIK, in every company I have worked in, pilots & CC were of course paid exactly the same regardless of gender . . . a non-starter in aviation methinks. Move along there, nothing to see.
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From: Amantido
A girl from my ATO received job offers from various operators in Europe and secured a job with a UK charter operator... And she doesn't know the difference between N1 and N2. Not joking.
Same story for another one with various multiple ATPL fails.
Same story for another one with various multiple ATPL fails.
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From: France
In engineering too, I believe the gender pay gap does not exist.
We have very detailed statistics for Airbus group (several thousands of employees) and when comparing with equal experience and comparable job, the pay gap is less than 3% and can occur in both directions.
Surely, the problem doesn't lie with the employers, the problem lies with society influencing women towards lower paid jobs and influencing men in thinking the larger salary the better.
We have very detailed statistics for Airbus group (several thousands of employees) and when comparing with equal experience and comparable job, the pay gap is less than 3% and can occur in both directions.
Surely, the problem doesn't lie with the employers, the problem lies with society influencing women towards lower paid jobs and influencing men in thinking the larger salary the better.
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I'm not a big fan of positive discrimination. I do think however it could mean those who initially never thought they could make a go of it in the industry are encouraged to enter it. It makes aviation less of an old boy's club in terms of "dad did it so I will too", and it brings fresh blood and ideas into the industry. It would be great to see "pilot" as a more popular career choice for young girls, akin to how it is for boys. You only have to look at some of the Virgin ads to see how girls could be influenced by society.
Obviously the anecdotal reports of sub par candidates getting offers is worrying... That will come back to bite airlines on the bum. However, if it means more girls see the prospect of being a pilot as achievable and aspire to go into the industry it would create more competition and possibility raise standards...
Obviously the anecdotal reports of sub par candidates getting offers is worrying... That will come back to bite airlines on the bum. However, if it means more girls see the prospect of being a pilot as achievable and aspire to go into the industry it would create more competition and possibility raise standards...
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Not really. Just like men, I doubt you'll run into many females who don't think a larger salary is better.
Facts are, more women will avoid the physical,technical type jobs in all sorts of weather in extreme environments. There are totally competent women in those fields and they have my respect like any other of any race, gender or cultural background.
Any attempt to pay a female less to do my job will be met by an immediate work stoppage until the money is in their bank account.
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From: Where the company needs me not where I want to be!
Female Pilots are paid the same as male.... Male cabin crew are paid the same as Female.
Now..... More Men than Women seem to want jobs on say the north sea oil rigs paying decent $$$ where as more Women than men seem to want to work in a beauty salon where the job pays less.......... What gender pay gap?? Its down to the job you do as far as I can see. All jobs are open to both Genders but a vast majority of jobs only appeal to one gender.
Now I have heard women moan that they fell intimidated applying for a male dominated role..... Well sorry you cant blame Men for genetic makeup.
Now..... More Men than Women seem to want jobs on say the north sea oil rigs paying decent $$$ where as more Women than men seem to want to work in a beauty salon where the job pays less.......... What gender pay gap?? Its down to the job you do as far as I can see. All jobs are open to both Genders but a vast majority of jobs only appeal to one gender.
Now I have heard women moan that they fell intimidated applying for a male dominated role..... Well sorry you cant blame Men for genetic makeup.
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The gender pay gap is really code for the next assault on society. There is a small gap, nothing of the magnitude made out by extremities in society. Most of it according to a number of empirical studies is a result of choice.
As pilots say, male pilots don't get paid more than females.
This video is five minutes, but explains the median wage argument and its distortion which is conveniently ignored.
As pilots say, male pilots don't get paid more than females.
This video is five minutes, but explains the median wage argument and its distortion which is conveniently ignored.
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From: DSOTM
I have never worked in a company where females were paid less for the same role and same years of service/experience levels.
If anything women are treated better than men in aviation because it looks good to have them on board. All things being equal, in the western world, they are far more likely to get a flying position than men for this reason.
Women just tend not to choose this profession very often. Easyjet would do well to say that they are looking to hire a representative amount of female pilots after all checks and standards have been met accordingly. To set an “arbitrary” target figure reeks of favoritism. If only 5% of pilots are women, wouldn’t females be way overrepresented if one company consists of 20% women?
I also doubt women would like to be cherry picked for positions because of what is between their legs compared to the standard of job they deliver. As any good pilot and decent human being would.
If anything women are treated better than men in aviation because it looks good to have them on board. All things being equal, in the western world, they are far more likely to get a flying position than men for this reason.
Women just tend not to choose this profession very often. Easyjet would do well to say that they are looking to hire a representative amount of female pilots after all checks and standards have been met accordingly. To set an “arbitrary” target figure reeks of favoritism. If only 5% of pilots are women, wouldn’t females be way overrepresented if one company consists of 20% women?
I also doubt women would like to be cherry picked for positions because of what is between their legs compared to the standard of job they deliver. As any good pilot and decent human being would.
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Few could deny that there is strong female positive discrimination in pilot hiring in Europe - and it IS legal, surprisingly. However, is it wise, for safety critical roles?
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the gap is a result of personnal/family choices.
There is no such things as female payscale, it's illegal of course.
I tried to found out how they came with this numbers, because I knew that the hourly rate was the same for men and women, in any jobs.
And I found out that it was a totally dishonest social study, all of them. It's just politics.
The result of the Era we are in, minority sacralisation.
Here is how it is calculated: (exemple from a good friend of mine)
He's a doctor. Family doctor. He work long days and make 10000€/month.
His wife is a teacher. She makes so little money that they decided she will work half time only, then she can take care of the kids.
She makes less than 1000€ a month.
=>Women make ten times less than men
It's real, that's how they do the calculation. Check by yourself.
There is no such things as female payscale, it's illegal of course.
I tried to found out how they came with this numbers, because I knew that the hourly rate was the same for men and women, in any jobs.
And I found out that it was a totally dishonest social study, all of them. It's just politics.
The result of the Era we are in, minority sacralisation.
Here is how it is calculated: (exemple from a good friend of mine)
He's a doctor. Family doctor. He work long days and make 10000€/month.
His wife is a teacher. She makes so little money that they decided she will work half time only, then she can take care of the kids.
She makes less than 1000€ a month.
=>Women make ten times less than men
It's real, that's how they do the calculation. Check by yourself.
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From: Amantido
I know it gives the impression I am a terrible male chauvinist. I am not really, but I am experiencing this positive discrimination in first person. I would have nothing to say if those two female individuals knew something about turbofan engines or swept wings, but they do not and had it quite easy to get invitation to assessments and subsequent job offers.
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i fly corporate bizjet, politicens, ceo, etc...
One funny thing about this gender equity is that those VIPs, who promote equal opportunities in their big companies, usually don't want female pilots to fly their families !
One funny thing about this gender equity is that those VIPs, who promote equal opportunities in their big companies, usually don't want female pilots to fly their families !
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From: Amantido
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The gender pay gap is a 
myth. I have never worked in a company that has two different pay scales depending on your genitalia. I have never heard any female colleagues or friends complain or even talk about the gender pay gap, so where is all this noise coming from?
Of course there is positive discrimination towards women pilots in Europe. You have to be blind not to see that.
myth. I have never worked in a company that has two different pay scales depending on your genitalia. I have never heard any female colleagues or friends complain or even talk about the gender pay gap, so where is all this noise coming from? Of course there is positive discrimination towards women pilots in Europe. You have to be blind not to see that.
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Some clarity of thought about misguided objectives to bludgeon flat headline gender percentages, for every field of work, regardless of societal and hardwired human propensities.
(originally posted in the ME forum)