Airline Pay Awards 2017/18

[Boeing 7E7]

Would anyone like to comment on their own airline pay awards agreed over the last year? There appears to be a definite tightening of the jobs market for pilots and it would be interesting to see if this is being reflected in pay awards. At present we see in the media reports of noticeable pay increases by an increasing number of significant airlines. It might be helpful to collate some of this information into one place and understand some of the details.

I understand, for example that:

Aer Lingus agreed 11%
Easyjet 6%
Ryanair 20%
Thomas cook 8%?

[Rated De]

Meanwhile in the antipodes,

Connections in Australia tell me

• that a foreign subsidiary on half the money is to fly the 737 domestically (in direct contravention of workplace laws) for Qantas
• Another Qantas domestic subsidiary is to start flying an A320, taking flying from the domestic Qantas 737 pilots
• The companies quietly lobbied for pilots to be included on skills shortage list. (announced over Christmas)

Anyone would think it were 'contract season' which amazingly expires at year end..


Naturally the union is wringing its hands, after all conditions have been 'advancing to the rear' for 30 years and organised labour representatives believe this shortage is just cyclical!


The magic eight ball tips a contract advance of MINUS 3% with offsets off course!

[whitemonk]

Jet2 = 3% + £3000

[Tricia Takanawa]

BA treading water (RPI pay rise). 1.4% of basic salary bonus. And apparently massively under crewed. Not sure these figures are going to help too much. Yr 5 A320 capt now £86k.

[MCDU2]

Percentages are meaningless without being put into context and also if starting off from a low base. Half of nothing is still nothing.

Aer Lingus took 10% off the gross of all pilots under a reorganisaton called Greenfield around 8 years ago now. With inflation that pay cut has never been restored nor will it ever be. The 11% you quote is over a 3 year period and is only just above inflation in a country which taxes over 50% once you earn a little over 30K a year.

[GKOC41]

Her Indoors, works in school (not teacher)
2018 0%
2017 0%
2016 0%
And so on
Sometimes Pilots need a reality check

[IcanCmyhousefromhere]

You think?
So we should align our recompense with who? A secretary, dinner lady, cleaner?
Maybe you could give more details for your point of view because I’m struggling to see it.

[pitotheat]

It’s pointless comparing either total pay or increases in pay across different professions. Pay is awarded with regard to retention, shortages of skills, bench marking as well as inflation. Therefore low pressure on salary increases in one sector would not translate to another at any one time. As it happens pilot shortages are driving salaries up at the moment. That will continue until the airlines feel there is no longer a problem. If Corbyn and his bunch of retards get in you will see a burgeoning and unsustainable public sector growth in size and pay. In addition many public sector jobs have annual increments in pay which is rarely mentioned in comparison tables.

[Boeing 7E7]

Originally Posted by GKOC41

Her Indoors, works in school (not teacher)
2018 0%
2017 0%
2016 0%
And so on
Sometimes Pilots need a reality check

I hear you. But shouldn’t it be the other way around? It’s outrageous that teachers have not had a pay rise 3+ years (along with Nurses, midwives and countless others) while those higher up the food chain award themselves inflation busting pay rises and bonuses. Because they can.

Perhaps any anger should be directed towards them, rather than Pilots, who are attempting to do something about it?

I think we are in the same side.

[Boeing 7E7]

I hear all all your comments and understand where many of them come from.

But this thread is intended to highlight what pilot pay awards have been given or agreed in 2017/18 rather than any commentary on it. For clarity I’d be most grateful if you could set up another thread for that. I appreciate this might be difficult but would be grateful if you could. Many thanks!

[Wakarider]

BA 4.1% I believe

[clamchowder]

I understand VS have a pay deal for the next 2 or 3 years. Don't know the % if someone would like to add?

[VinRouge]

Any rise for the Norwegian chaps?

[THRILLSEEKER]

Originally Posted by Tricia Takanawa

BA treading water (RPI pay rise). 1.4% of basic salary bonus. And apparently massively under crewed. Not sure these figures are going to help too much. Yr 5 A320 capt now £86k.

A senior SFO friend in BA said that they were extremely close to having to recruit DEC 2 years ago as practically all senior enough FO's didn't want SH command and were just switching to LH FO/SFO instead. The seniority number ran very low and it was only the fact they had recruited recently some experienced FO's from EZ/RYR/MON etc that they had enough very junior (in time) to BA to fill the positions. I believe one guy was even in BA less than a year before he made the juno to LH seat, admittingly he joined with over 4000Hrs but still a unbelievably short time to command in BA.

Back then I enquired about the pay levels to see if it could tempt me away from the Orange juggernaught to switch to a LGW/LHR SH CPT position if recruitment did come about.

On the pay scales back then (only 2 years ago) it would have taken me 18 YEARS to draw level to the annual BASIC that I was on (EJ Capt plus 10% annual bonus) due to having to start at Y1 captain scale in BA.. 18 YEARS! And thats without our last inflation busting circa 6% pay rise.

If Nigel does in fact have a critical shortage over Y18/19, especially in the LH seat then they are screwed to attract sufficient, if any at all, experienced and type rated captains to fill their SH fleet.

Interesting times ahead over the next 2-3 years I feel.


Not that I'd now switch - but still would ask questions IF the package were better :roll eyes:


Ps - EJ Y1 (to year I cant physically flying amore) basic now 105K without any loyalty bonus of upto 15% p/yr dependant upon length of service.

[cumulustratus]

Originally Posted by TangoAlphad

I think the point is there are many professions that have seen no pay rise in years so the fact ours generally does increase above inflation isn't so bad. Not comparing jobs with salaries but there are many out there who work as hard or harder for less pay and no rises for several consecutive years now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't be paid.. yes I earn more than I think any of my non flying friends but I am away from home a lot. I miss birthdays and holidays and family/friend get togethers often. I need to live close to my base etc and these things deserve a financial compensation but I think we forget that we aren't the only professionals out there and we aren't hard done by.

What a brilliant example of how Mrs Thatcher and her followers have managed to brainwash an entire population into thinking that a worker demanding a pay rise is somehow stealing money from another worker in a completely unrelated profession. Workers claiming better reward for their Labour needs to be measured against the profit of the business owners/shareholders. A fair balance
between return on capital for investors and reward/work for employees needs to be established. In modern civilization, where the wealth of the few is growing much faster than the average resources of the population in general, a capital investment shouldnt necessarily be guaranteed continuous used exponential growth.

If any of these concepts seem foreign to you, then please join your local union and let those who do grasp them speak for you. And for your own benefit, don't join a certain low cost carrier who feeds off of employees as yourself.

Originally Posted by TangoAlphad

I think the point is there are many professions that have seen no pay rise in years so the fact ours generally does increase above inflation isn't so bad. Not comparing jobs with salaries but there are many out there who work as hard or harder for less pay and no rises for several consecutive years now.

Don't get me wrong, I'm not saying we shouldn't be paid.. yes I earn more than I think any of my non flying friends but I am away from home a lot. I miss birthdays and holidays and family/friend get togethers often. I need to live close to my base etc and these things deserve a financial compensation but I think we forget that we aren't the only professionals out there and we aren't hard done by.

What a brilliant example of how Mrs Thatcher and her followers have managed to brainwash an entire population into thinking that a worker demanding a pay rise is somehow stealing money from another worker in a completely unrelated profession. Workers claiming better reward for their labour needs to be measured against the profit of the business owners/shareholders. A fair balance between return on capital for investors and reward/work for employees needs to be established. In modern civilization, where the wealth of the few is growing much faster than the average resources of the population in general, a capital investment shouldn't necessarily be guaranteed continuous exponential growth.

If any of these concepts seem foreign to you, then please join your local union and let those who do grasp them speak for you. And for your own benefit, don't join a certain low cost carrier who feeds off of employees as yourself.

[Snapper5]

From the top of my head I believe VS is a 4% rise which makes a year 1 FO around £72k (fixed flight pay of 16k per year ) probably add $12k for beer tokens on top of that .

[Flocks]

Flybe had a 3 years increased plan.
Basic from 64K£ then 67K£ (currently) to 70K£ (1st April 2018)

More less an increase of 10% over 3 years.

Pilot have also now a limit of 750hr a year, an extra night stop payment and an extra over time payment (more than 75hr a month)

[EAM]

Originally Posted by Boeing 7E7

I understand, for example that:

Aer Lingus agreed 11%
Easyjet 6%
Ryanair 20%
Thomas cook 8%?

Well, that only makes sense if you add on how many years this will run.
As far as I know the RYR is 20% over 5 years (2017 5%, 2018 5%, 2019 5% ....)
otherwise its a confusing information.

[Trossie]

Originally Posted by Flocks

Flybe had a 3 years increased plan.

... ...

Pilot have also now a limit of 750hr a year, an extra night stop payment and an extra over time payment (more than 75hr a month)

Now isn't that worth more in real value than the money?

[Boeing 7E7]

And what of our colleagues in the US or mainland Europe? Anyone know?