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Old 14th Mar 2018, 12:40
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Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Macau
Posts: 4
1) Air Macau
2) LHS
3) A320
4) 4 Years of service
5) 240
6) 4-6/month
7) 900
8) US$90k/year basic
9) 13th salary (by contract), 14th salary (discretionary), sector pay, duty pay, per diem, overtime, triple time on public holidays, housing allowance, laundry allowance, transport allowance, performance incentive.
10) US$200k before tax. Low tax regime gives US$190k after tax. Plus provident fund of 12.5% of basic salary on top, only payable in cash after every 4 years of service.
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Old 17th Mar 2018, 15:03
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Join Date: Mar 2018
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Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK
2) Right Hand Seat
3) Jetstream 41
4) 2 Years
5) Only Get 7 Days Off PM As A Treat Sometimes 8, Max Duty Hours, 4/6 Some Times 7 Sectors Per Day
6) 15+ Night Stops Per Month Very Rarely At Home Base With Lots Of Days Off Out Station With Only Duty Pay For Your Troubles
7) 60/70hrs Per Month Average
8) Basic Salary £21,495 No Service Pay For FO's You Get Pay for TT and Hours On Type, Joined Company Min Hours So My Salary Is Just Under £23k
9) No Sector Pay, £1.30 Per Hour Duty Pay Roughly £3.5K Per Year 100% Taxed. Total Gross £26K Per Year Net £20,840 That's £1734.26 Net Per Month
10) Pension is 1% from Company 1% Employee, Day Off Payments Very Rare FO £200
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 09:42
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Join Date: Mar 2018
Location: The North
Posts: 17
1) Loganair
2) RHS
3) SF340
4) 1.5 years
5) Unsure total, off 9 days a month exc. leave.
6) Base dependant, some nil, about 4 or 5 per month for me.
7) 550-600 in a year.
8) £30K
9) £9 per report. £3 per sector. £23 per UK nightstop. Day Off pay £300. 20% pension (8% from me).
10) Averaging monthly gross £3100, net £2500. Rich in the flying I do.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 11:27
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Join Date: Nov 2015
Location: Hong Kong
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Originally Posted by GoodTimes View Post
Southwest
365k
36k retirement
$365k usd/year? LHS I'm assuming and how many YOS?

Cheers
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:05
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Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: UK
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Originally Posted by FlyingGypsy View Post
Hello all,
First post on here hope your all well ! Fly safe !

1) Eastern Airways UK
And what's Eastern like these days??
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 12:56
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland mainly, rather than at home.
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Originally Posted by LlamaFarmer View Post
And what's Eastern like these days??
Great fun, good colleagues superb flying, terms and conditions accurately depicted above however. Money wise it's a hobby, if you can afford it.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 13:09
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Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: UK
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Eastern

dont forget

11) £50 disruption payment if; its a tuesday, its raining, been an alien invasion, >4 hours delay thats not down to tech, weather, airport closing, global flood but will be paid if this time its a consequence of aforementioned alien invasion, if its not a tuesday. Please note that all disruption payments will be declined in the event you qualify for a disruption payment.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:00
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Join Date: Dec 2008
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By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 15:21
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Join Date: Mar 2018
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As said above the crew make this company, the people who we work with are amazing couldnít get through the day without them! Flying is amazing solid building block to move on to pastures new one day! After my 5 year bond, that is their ploy to hold on to crew, We have lots of crew departing to Jet2. As for rostering / crewing / management absolutely appalling I have nothing to compare with but the way Iím spoken to if I try to voice my opinion on changes to my roster etc which happen daily, and if you do moan next comes the punishment roster lol Iíve never had a roster yet thatís has stayed as published. On average I would say 95% of my roster changes. But Iím greatful for the Job !
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 17:29
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Join Date: May 2014
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Originally Posted by CaptainProp View Post
24000 net? Hell Iíll sign up for that right seat!!

CP

Edit (for clarification): 24k is not 2400.
That is VLG for in a year
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 18:31
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Join Date: Aug 2002
Location: Up north
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Originally Posted by a350pilots View Post
That is VLG for in a year
Apparently so, I thought it was per month! ;-)

Large private jet.
All in all Ä160.000 gross per year + about Ä10K tip or so.
Roughly 200-210 days on duty minus perhaps 15-20 maintenance days per year where I can go home.
Max 400 hours.

CP
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Old 18th Mar 2018, 19:03
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Join Date: Apr 2006
Location: Netherlands
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eastern, vlg, enter air, small planet earning

Originally Posted by macdo View Post
By god, Eastern is shocking! My daughter makes more stacking shelves in London.
I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 10:18
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Join Date: Dec 2002
Location: UK
Age: 43
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Originally Posted by El Capitano View Post
I really don,t understand that any pilot accepts these lousy salaries, pay for type rating and even pay for line training.
Please, please stop it! Don,t even go on assessment. Get those scam airlines on their knees.
If they can not or don,t want to pay decent salaries, then they will be due to lack of pilots forced to pay a market conform salary or simply have to stop their operations.
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 10:42
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Originally Posted by JOSHUA View Post
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......
Early 2000s were not that bad, if you talk about the really early years. Got my first job in autumn 2000 after a six month job hunt right out of flight school. Could choose between two jobs, one with a Fokker 50 Typerating which i had to pay for, however, after 5 years in the company i would have gotten the money back including interest. And the second job was on a 737, type rating fully paid for by the company including accommodation, business travel to the training facility and back, hotel for the first four weeks at the base to give me time to house hunt, some small training pay and full per diems. And that was not the best job out there by far, Lufthansa hired several hundred ready entries that year, as did their regional Cityline and of course others like Hapag Lloyd (nowadays known as TUI-Fly). It went on into the next year and even continued for a few weeks after 9/11, but then came to a very hard stop.

Needless to say, i never paid for a type rating, always got paid for a job and don't think anybody should do that, but i know it is the accepted norm for many new-hires today. Which is why i do applaud ryanairs move to bond the cadet instead of let them pay, which i hope will put pressure on their competitors to do the same.
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 15:29
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Join Date: Jul 2008
Location: USA
Age: 32
Posts: 18
1) US Major
2) FO
3) 757/767
4) 2 yrs with the company
5) about one trip a month for most of the year (reserve)
6) 12-15
7) 350
8) $137K USD +$3,000 non tax perdiem
9) $18,000 USD (Retirement)
10) $158,000 USD for 2017
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Old 19th Mar 2018, 16:48
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Join Date: Dec 2008
Location: uk
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Originally Posted by JOSHUA View Post
So easy for any one us us to preach when weíre already established in an airliner seat, earning decent bucks. Take yourself back to the early 2000ís when jobs were scarce and sat with a fresh licence, all you wanted to do was sit at the front of an airliner and start building those hours to further your career. If you donít take the job, someone else will whilst youíre sat there hoping/dreaming and still having to pay to keep your licence current.

The regulators and pressure from unions (supported by those of us already established in the industry) is the only way any of these poor t&cís/pay can be addressed. Otherwise, one can only hope the supply of cadets due to to excessive costs and lack of funds, will dry up - then perhaps improvements will happen......
I started a little earlier than that, but not much. Yes, there were good and bad years for recruitment, there was hardly anything in the mid 90's, , then late 90's it got lively and then died again in around 2001. Hey ho, that's capitalism red in tooth and claw. But the big difference was that the jobs, even with the bottom feeding turbo prop operators, came with a paid for type rating and a bond. The bond reduced with your service, or if you left early, you paid it off. I got paid pretty much the same in 97 as an Eastern FO does now, without the debt mountain round my neck. I think there are going to be a lot of very unhappy burnt out, debt laden pilots in the future, juggling training, mortgage and God forbid, divorce costs from a large headline salary, which leaves them with very little left to have fun with.
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Old 20th Mar 2018, 15:18
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Join Date: Feb 2003
Location: UK
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Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.
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Old 21st Mar 2018, 14:02
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Join Date: Sep 2006
Location: Scotland mainly, rather than at home.
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Originally Posted by Northern Highflyer View Post
Is it true that you guys at Eastern are now having to work more and more weekends ? Probably one of it's best selling points (other than the great crews) was the fact it was largely Mon-Fri flying, except at Aberdeen with it's Sunday flights, and a few charters.
Weekend schedules are here at my base, yes. I signed a contract agreeing to hours as required by the company. If i get to not liking that, I know my choices. It suits me, I enjoy the flying, have no interest in being a button pusher for hours on end with no landing and approach currency.

As I said, it's a hobby from a base (sometimes a gateway near you). But you have to be able to afford a job like this.

In spite of the above post re disruption payments, I can only speak of my own experience, and I've not had one denied. I know some who have though, but the rules are in black and white in the manuals.

It's ok here, management are approachable, never bother me, but I keep my nose clean and get on with my job, and for that I feel appreciated. As I say, that's my experience and I'm not exactly new here.
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Old 15th Mar 2019, 20:47
  #79 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2014
Location: X
Posts: 28
1) VLG
2) Rhs
3) A320
4) 8 months
5) 12 days off minimum
6) 25 in total more or less, and I've ask for that
7) 547
8) 23. 884Ä net (yes, I went through every single paycheck)
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Old 17th Mar 2019, 09:08
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Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Home
Posts: 14
1) Cargolux
2) Lhs
3) B744/748
4)17 years of service
5)~ 130 days away from home (80% partime scheme)
6)~11 night stops a month
7)~450 hours a year
8)140k a year gross + tax free per diem 100€/day
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