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RYR basic salary UK bases

Old 30th Jan 2018, 10:55
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You're kinda forgiven MightAtom, only cause you apologised

A known problem with PPRuNe with all due respect, is people commenting to the masses who don't even work in that airline any more.

Firstly the OP was asking about Captains Salary not FO's. 19+13 is £32 PSBH -the current FO sector pay.

You didn't dream anything you just spoke in error. Receiving £19 net means you paid 40% tax on the £32 gross sector pay. Personally I don't think you received the majority of your gross sector pay in your pocket, and saying the majority of sector pay is non-taxable is simply inaccurate and misleading.

In my example above where last month £220 of my £3366 sector pay was non-taxable, that works out as 6.5% of my sector pay that I didn't pay tax on. I think is accurate to therefore say, the majority of the sector pay is taxed.
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 11:25
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That makes more sense. That's what you get for working in the sim, you never see any sector pay!
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 14:54
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BALPA have just been signed up for UK FR Pilots its on the BBC business sorry not old enough to post URL
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Old 30th Jan 2018, 17:25
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All this nonsense about filling up a water bottle !
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 08:41
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I've just made the questionable decision to join FR as an non typed skipper and the base salary is £69k, everything else seems the same. Two of my colleagues who are joining are in the same boat and have been offered the same. No doubt this is so that we pay for the TR in addition to being bonded, though there is no mention of the salary going up 5k after the bond is over. If I had any intention of staying beyond 500h I suppose I should be annoyed, but it is just a means to an end.
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 14:52
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Did you get the new starter bonus? If so, it wouldn't surprise me that they have reduced your basic by the amount of the "bonus" you get!

The uk salary in STN should now be a basic of £74k. Not sure what base you are getting, but looks like they are doing the classic trick they always have done, of agreeing a "deal" for current contract staff, and anyone new that gets a Ryanair contract a few weeks after the "deal" was "agreed" gets a pay reduction...this is what they did with FO basic salary to drive the wage down to a low of 20k basic when it was well over 40k! (They are now shouting to high heaven about the pay rise FO's have got, when in reality it is still less than the wage 10yrs ago!)
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Old 31st Jan 2018, 17:35
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Originally Posted by midnight cruiser View Post
Thats the deduction for type rating costs isnt it? - so about £15k - not too bad and at least its before tax, so it only feels half as bad! I would think the salary reverts up to the base agreement after the three years.
£5k a year for 5 years not 3 I believe
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 10:43
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I didn't get a new starter bonus - I'm non-typed - and there is nothing in the contract to indicate that the salary will go up by 5k at any point.

I suppose I'm posting because others considering applying to FR will read the threads and it's always handy to get a heads up on what to actually expect.

Which, true to reputed form, is Ryanair loudly announcing a a solution to one of their problems (crew retention) then immediately working as hard as they can to save money, and in the process undermining any chance of their fix holding.

I suppose I can't say they haven't prepared me for what to expect!
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 13:22
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The bond is for 3 years. After that your basic will be increased by 5K.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 13:39
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Correct.....
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 13:40
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BALPA have just been signed up for UK FR Pilots its on the BBC business

is it that UK bases voted to accept the 'New Deal' before BALPA was involved, or did BALPA recommend the vote?
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 14:03
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I seem to recall from a BALPA news letter that BALPA asked RYR to pass the new pay deal on to pilots regardless of the vote. I've deleted it so can't remember exactly.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 14:17
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So there you have it. The ink isn`t dry on any agreements and the culture remains the same. When is the profession going to learn.

Before signing any contract or lease it has always been the same "READ THE SMALL PRINT."

BALPA don`t give a rats arse, they are now going to be nice and cosy with another 1% of 4000 pilots hard earned cash.

What about the conditions what about the management style of pressure?
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 14:49
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So have I got this correct : Ryanair take £ 25,000 from your salary over 5 years?( or £15000 over 3years )
Is it a bond or a pay for a type rating ?
What happens if you leave after 2 years, they want the remaining “ bond” money?

I thought pay to fly was over !
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 15:43
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LHS320

Not strictly true. We dont have 4000 pilots in the UK! About 600 ryanair employees and maybe the same again contractors.

I agree with the small print, however many many people got green eyes envy at new starters getting the new higher “deal” and were willing to kill their grandmothers for the extra tenner a month without seeing the bigger picture.

However, we are extremely hopeful that this is the start of something new, albiet cautious about the managements past form in staff management.
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Old 1st Feb 2018, 16:08
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Old 2nd Feb 2018, 22:05
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Your pay will revert to the whatever the base salary is as negotiated by BALPA once the 3 years is up.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 13:14
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Originally Posted by Lazydogg View Post
12k productivity. The productivity requires you to choose three days in November and three in December of each year.
Almost true, only need to offer these days in first contractual year, all future years this is not a requirement.
This stems from initially asking crew last year to do exactly that to get bonus which had additional loopholes included in "deal" which were deemed unachievable by most pilots.

Therefore now all pilots are asked to offer in return the same as what was requested last year to selective bases only, even though a repeat of last year is unforeseen to reoccur, but there has to be something pilots have to "do" to get the bonus. Thus if you forget to offer them these days (note: they may not remind you of having to offer) you will not get productivity bonus element afterwards anymore for duration of pay deal, that is your personal choice to thus offer them days in November and December.

In terms of mortgage usage, this element is treated as bonus and not contractually secured, so basic increase can be used for future mortgage applications, but productivity bonus cannot unless conditions are satisfied (not until end of year and on pay-check monthly until then).

Regarding other posters advising of reduced salary, it has been Ryanair tradition during first 12 months after upgrade or joining as DEC to have a 90% basic pay cap, this may have been revoked but equally if still in place be the reason for a reduced basic in comparison.
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Old 3rd Feb 2018, 14:58
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BALPA don`t give a rats arse, they are now going to be nice and cosy with another 1% of 4000 pilots hard earned cash.
BALPA always cared for Big Airways and Big Airways only. Not gonna change.
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