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Old 27th Jul 2017, 08:35
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Also I understand there is no seniority list but how are commands actually prioritised? I mean if you have several hundred people command ready but only 10 slots what method is in place for deciding who gets it and who doesn't? Plus with Brexit, expansion slowing down, and a lower attrition rate is there any talk of command times extending beyond the 2 or 3 often quoted?
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 09:05
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There is effectively seniority based on date of command application. You enter the 'process' at 2000 factored hours and that secures your position on the command list. You then apply during the annual command 'application window' if you are interested and specify bases that you will accept. Obviously if you will only accept EDI or MXP then you will wait until you are top of that base transfer list, so you may well wait 5 + years... If you will accept LGW or any base, you will get something as soon as you meet the hours requirements in all probability.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 10:03
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Depends on experience. Depending on your hours you'll either join as SO, FO or SFO.
SO basic 41,000 no sector pay
FO basic 49,000 plus sector pay @ 18.74 per nominal sector
SFO basic 59,000. All subject to a roughly 5.5% pay rise in October.

Again command depends on previous experience. Once you have been in the company 6 months you can start the ball rolling for command, process takes roughly 18-24 months.
 
Old 27th Jul 2017, 11:05
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Do SFOs get sector pay at the same rate as FOs and if so any idea what this will total in an average year? Thanks.
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Old 27th Jul 2017, 11:18
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Yes it's the same rate. And just on sector pay I net around 1400 a month in the summer and 800 in the winter. But with trip trade you can get this up or down as you wish.
 
Old 27th Jul 2017, 22:05
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I find this thread hilarious.

You guys are comparing BA with EZY.

I've spent 20 years flying for BMI and EZY and have never met a BA FO who has come from BA to either of the other company's.

I must have flown with 100's if not 1,000's of FO's who have gone the other way.

There is no comparison.

I HAVE met Captains who have come from BA to EZY (on the fingers of one hand) - every single one retired at 55 from BA and can't quit and live the good life on 2/3 BA Captain pension.

I only post to put some balance to - as I say - a ridiculous debate.

In case anyone is wondering - I am convinced beyond doubt all operators mentioned are wonderful employers, look after their staff and are worthy sources of employment for any pilot.



P.S. Very funny thread.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 07:15
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Fire and Brimstone

I completely agree !!
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 09:57
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Explain to me why it's so ridiculous? What is it about BA that makes it the obvious choice? I agree very few people leave BA and many have come the other way and your right there must be a reason for that but I am wondering if those reasons are valid. I am not slagging BA off but I believe this debate has some real merit to it. First of all I must qualify this by saying I have no interest in long haul but there are some very genuine reasons for looking at Easy over BA.

1) EasyJet SFO salary is actually better than early year FO BA pay.
2) Work is shared evenly with no regards to seniority so you won't get shafted whilst others are laughing.
3) Command within a few years opposed to unlimited at BA.
4) The possibility of a 130k package within 2 years a figure that you might never reach under PP34.
5) Very few night stops.
6) constant 5 on 4 off roster.
7) No inequality in contracts and lifestyle.
8) opportunity for a regional base and not working from LHR.
9) You might get a weekend off.
10) you won't spend 25% of your year on reserve.

On the plus sides of BA.

1) Better pension (not much though espically if your on a captains salary after 2 years)
2) You get to say "I work for BA"
3) Option for LH

I appreciate a lot of the issues at BA are resolved with seniority but the question is are you prepared to wait 10 years to build up enough seniority to make your life decent. I also see that Easy has a lot of faults but I think it's incredibly arrogant to say this debate is stupid. BA is not the company it was T and Cs are no better than anyone else, moral is low, work live balance is terrible and recruitment has ground to a halt and with Brexit those at the bottom might be there for a long long time, I think maybe you are stuck in the past and can't see past the glory days Concorde has gone and BA are no different to Easy, this debate is real and deserves some respect.

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Old 28th Jul 2017, 10:00
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Enzo to be fair on Brexit I think that's clearly going to impact easyJet far more than BA.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 10:08
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Possiblly and that's something to discuss as part of this thread, it might well be the case Easy are badly affected by Brexit and expansion and command possibilities dry up in which case BA becomes the obvious choice. But I think all these things are worth discussing not simply saying it's a stupid debate.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 10:56
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Enzo, just for clarification the roster at EZY is 5453, not 54.
 
Old 28th Jul 2017, 10:58
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Originally Posted by Gnat1809 View Post
Yes it's the same rate. And just on sector pay I net around 1400 a month in the summer and 800 in the winter. But with trip trade you can get this up or down as you wish.
Just to clarify, is this LHS or RHS sector pay?
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 11:14
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Thanks for all the info on here. Good to see the site being useful

Is it possible for someone to share a few typical rosters please? Obviously all de-identified.

Has anybody had any progress after application yet?

Cheers!
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 12:19
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Originally Posted by monkey.tennis View Post
Just to clarify, is this LHS or RHS sector pay?


That's RHS. FO sector pay is 18.74, captains is around 30. Scale it up and you'll have the LHS numbers.
 
Old 28th Jul 2017, 12:45
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F and B. Time to take off those rose tinted glasses. Whilst BA may well be the best gig in town, it is not that much better than easy.....and certainly 2 years to command as an experienced pilot as opposed to 10, if then, is a no brainer. In my case I stayed at easy with command now but remain in the BA pool.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 12:59
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Originally Posted by Gnat1809 View Post
That's RHS. FO sector pay is 18.74, captains is around 30. Scale it up and you'll have the LHS numbers.
Great. The contract says to expect about 7k a year as an FO but it sounds like it should be a lot more than that!


Also, is anyone able to explain what 'trip trade' is and how it works ? Thanks.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 13:50
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Applied as a DEC recently. Ticked 'No' to the - are you happy to pay 20-25k for the type rating and still got an invite to assessment.

Has this ticked box been overlooked?
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 14:34
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Originally Posted by monkey.tennis View Post
Also, is anyone able to explain what 'trip trade' is and how it works ? Thanks.
Trip trades is the system that (theoretically) allows you to swap duties with other crew. Obviously, any swap needs to remain legal and unlike some carriers, you cannot swap days off - they are set at roster publication when on the 'random roster' or as per your 5/4/5/3 pattern.

So in my experience (FO on a random roster at a big base) it is of limited use, and the system software can be a little temperamental, but others may have different experiences.
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 16:22
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If you compare €25,000 for a TR while on salary with flights & accommodation paid, it works out significantly better value than other airlines that charge slightly more, no salary and sort yourself out with flights & accommodation. The difference is huge. Not only that but you get a better deal afterwards. From what has been posted, concerning the newbie airlines 20 years old, why does everybody not beat a path to ez's door and forget the other pretenders?
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Old 28th Jul 2017, 22:27
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The problem is that about 70% of the new hires of this year and most likely of the close future have been cadets, who are on a different deal, at least in the UK (flexicrew) with the other 30% being DEP/DEC, type rated or not. For these guys there is quite a selection, with around 5% of the applicants passing the assessment as direct entry captain.

In mainland europe easyjet conditions tend to be even better, at least in some countries, but recruiting usually happens in those places where t&c are bad, eg spain, portugal and holland.
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