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Old 19th Oct 2018, 21:54
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Originally Posted by Raski View Post
Small Planet Poland went just bust.
I would be very cautious joining these ACMI operators now.
Wind is turning bad for these operators.
You are right, better be cautious. However SP has dark side. Their bankruptcy in Poland and Germany in my opinion is staged.
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Old 19th Oct 2018, 23:33
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Originally Posted by 152wiseguy View Post
The rates of pay listed on ppjn are quoted per day. Do the pilots in Smartlynx get paid for everyday of the contract period? How many days in a month will be paid on average?

It depends on the business they do with other airlines.
On the contract it is stated that you can stay up to 60 days at home as unpaid leave according to their needs. So it means that your pay will be between full rate and 16% less in average over the year...
Some month it might be possible to have 0 euros as salary.

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Old 30th Oct 2018, 19:28
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i would be very careful with this crowd, the financials are not looking good and would suggest they could be the next Small Planet, Primera etc
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 01:01
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Originally Posted by jonesyinthesky View Post
i would be very careful with this crowd, the financials are not looking good and would suggest they could be the next Small Planet, Primera etc
What's the basis for this claim?
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 09:52
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Originally Posted by Officer Kite View Post
What's the basis for this claim?
i have friends working in aviation leasing and whilst the companies they work for DO NOT lease planes to Smartlynx, the chatter around the table is that they are in big trouble and could be the next airline to go, of course could just be a big rumour but would make sense given their business model and what has happened to SP and Primera. They might be able to get through the winter as price of fuel has dropped but i doubt it. If i was looking for a new job at present i would stay well clear of start ups and charter companies and would stick to the 4 or 5 established LCCs and the legacy carriers if you can get in as a direct entry captain. I have friends who were made redundant by Monarch, went to Primera and are now back to square one again, they have new driving jobs lined up but a lot of upheaval for the families over the last 12 months.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 10:35
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Would you say their business model is any similar to SPA and Primera? Or perhaps that whatever thin ice the two walked over also lies ahead for SLX?
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 12:41
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Primera was slightly different. An established charter operator for it's own parent holiday company for many years before they went trans-continental. If this rumour is true, it's pretty shocking that these guys can't make any money given the license to print money they were given by TCX when they shafted pilots by closing 3 bases and asking SmartLynx and Avion to do it all.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 13:59
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Primera was slightly different. An established charter operator for it's own parent holiday company for many years before they went trans-continental. If this rumour is true, it's pretty shocking that these guys can't make any money given the license to print money they were given by TCX when they shafted pilots by closing 3 bases and asking SmartLynx and Avion to do it all.
i doubt TCX would come out of this smelling of roses if it was the case and could spell trouble for them ahead as well if they had fewer 3rd parties to operate flights on their behalf
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 22:02
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Originally Posted by jonesyinthesky View Post
i would be very careful with this crowd, the financials are not looking good and would suggest they could be the next Small Planet, Primera etc
Smartlynx have very little or nothing in common with the other two. SP and Primera pretty much grew out of unsustainable bank loans whilst Smartlynx have been growing at a very slow and sustainable rate for over 25 years. Company has millions in their own assets and their annual reports are looking healthy. I honestly don't know what "financials" you are looking at but I would like to know.
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Old 31st Oct 2018, 22:34
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OT: Ended up proceeding with Smartlynx the other day. What an appalling experience. Everybody around me was shocked. How EasyJet can subcharter them is beyond me. Not expecting much of Easyjet. But, Smartlynx is way below Easyjet standard.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 16:33
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LoL that was pretty much the reaction a friend of mine had after a selection day and sim ride a couple of years ago.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 16:55
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to be fair at least they SIM checked their drivers, Small Planet hied a bucket load in Germany last year and never did a SIM
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 21:12
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Hour-building?

You don't build hours in the right-seat of an A320/B737. You learn your profession.

That prevailing attitude of new FO's, who have paid for their ratings, is that hour-building is the next stage of training. IT IS NOT. You are flying freight/paying passengers, and gaining experience and airmanship along the way.
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Old 1st Nov 2018, 21:32
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OT: Ended up proceeding with Smartlynx the other day. What an appalling experience. Everybody around me was shocked. How EasyJet can subcharter them is beyond me. Not expecting much of Easyjet. But, Smartlynx is way below Easyjet standard.
can you share a bit more details? Like what went wrong, in what way was it appalling and so on? Clearly a pilot attending assessments and being in position to compare it with Easyjets operation should be able to articulate him(her)self a bit better?
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 08:03
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Martin,

seat pitch so small, I couldnt sit normally without my knees pressing against the seat in front of me. I got the same feedback from passengers around me.

A passenger behind me got into an argument with an FA. The FA threatened to deboard the pax while plane was taxing to the runway. That went so far, that police boarded the plane after landing. Wont share more details on that issue. How about some de-escalation strategy/training?
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 08:27
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Well, that was an unexpected reply
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 11:52
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Originally Posted by wondering View Post
Martin,

seat pitch so small, I couldnt sit normally without my knees pressing against the seat in front of me. I got the same feedback from passengers around me.

A passenger behind me got into an argument with an FA. The FA threatened to deboard the pax while plane was taxing to the runway. That went so far, that police boarded the plane after landing. Wont share more details on that issue. How about some de-escalation strategy/training?
I honestly thought your post was about assessment/job interview experience, I didn't realize someone could drag consumer issues into this discussion Regarding the seat issue - Smartlynx has the same 180 seat 29 inch pitch layout as easyjet. Regarding FA, I can't comment, wasn't there.
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Old 2nd Nov 2018, 13:23
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Originally Posted by Martin_123 View Post
I honestly thought your post was about assessment/job interview experience, I didn't realize someone could drag consumer issues into this discussion Regarding the seat issue - Smartlynx has the same 180 seat 29 inch pitch layout as easyjet. Regarding FA, I can't comment, wasn't there.
well said Martin !!!
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 06:19
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Martin,

you did read my first post, right? I was proceeding on Smartlynx. Not more, not less. U wanted more information. U got it from a pax perspective.

Good luck with your application, anyway.
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Old 6th Nov 2018, 07:04
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Originally Posted by wondering View Post
Martin,

you did read my first post, right? I was proceeding on Smartlynx. Not more, not less. U wanted more information. U got it from a pax perspective.

Good luck with your application, anyway.
I did. English dictionary describes word "to Proceed" as "begin a course of action" or "move forward". One can assume it means as much "going to work for them" as "going to travel as a pax with them" if no additional context is given, however you did refer to the OT (Original Topic (Thread)), which reads loud and clear - anyone reading here who is (or has been) working with Smartlynx?

I, personally, do not work for them, I have not applied to them, I have no intention to do so as I'm happy in my current company, however I have traveled with them and I have friends who work there and it looks like our mileage varies
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