Go Back  PPRuNe Forums > Flight Deck Forums > Terms and Endearment
Reload this Page >

Norwegian B787 - FLL based

Terms and Endearment The forum the bean counters hoped would never happen. Your news on pay, rostering, allowances, extras and negotiations where you work - scheduled, charter or contract.

Norwegian B787 - FLL based

Old 20th Oct 2016, 01:45
  #21 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2016
Location: KEV
Posts: 2
Captains: minimum of 6,000 hours total time with 2,500 PIC hours on any glass cockpit Jet aircraft. 1,000 PIC hours on a wide body aircraft.
randompilot is offline  
Old 20th Oct 2016, 12:00
  #22 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2005
Location: Everyplace
Posts: 241
Qualifications
Captain
FAA ATP certificate or EASA ATPL
FAA or EASA Medical Class 1 (EASA Medical Class 1 required before commencing flight duty)
6,000 hours total time
2,500 PIC hours on any EFIS jet aircraft
1,000 hours on a wide body or narrow body aircraft in long haul operation

https://www.webcruiter.no/WcMain/Adv...nk_source_id=0
7Q Off is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 06:06
  #23 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1996
Location: Check with Ops
Posts: 734
Has anybody established what the US contract is paying? The UK deal is 7470 per month plus 830 per diem. These are gross figures (and by that I mean before tax but I would agree about an alternative interpretation of 'gross'). It would be very interesting to see what they're looking to pay in the US, especially with the lower cost of living there.
Pontius is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 08:21
  #24 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53 32′ 9.19″ N, 9 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 585
FO 5.500 USD
Relief Captain 7.500 USD
Captain 10.000 USD
Per diem 1000 USD
ExDubai is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 10:40
  #25 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 1996
Location: Check with Ops
Posts: 734
Thanks ED,

Interesting figures. Comparing the oranges you've got 8300/mth versus $11000/mth. At the moment the is very weak against the $ and the FLL guys would be on a shade under 9000. With the huge % the UK tax man takes, compared to the US + the lower cost of US living it makes the FLL a lot more attractive than LGW (plus it's a lot more sunny and the fishing is better). Maybe some tea needs to be thrown into the River Thames

You can bet your bottom $ that the next cry will refer to the historical exchange rates....when the contracts will probably even out with the tax and cost of living taken into account i.e. how many beers can I buy in Tesco v Pubics (or however it's spelt)
Pontius is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 11:17
  #26 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53 32′ 9.19″ N, 9 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 585
The challenge for the FLL based US Pilots will be to convert to EASA within 24 Months. 14 exams on a 100% roster, 10 days of and a family/social life doesn't sound like a lot of fun.

What happens with the training bond if you miss the 2 years deadline?
ExDubai is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 12:46
  #27 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Mar 2003
Location: Germany
Posts: 116
@Randompilot

Very true, couldn't have said it any better!!
Parkbremse is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 21:18
  #28 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: Between a rock and a hard place
Posts: 1,034
With the huge % the UK tax man takes, compared to the US + the lower cost of US living it makes the FLL a lot more attractive than LGW (plus it's a lot more sunny and the fishing is better). Maybe some tea needs to be thrown into the River Thames
What if you've got kids and need child care? Get sick and need to see the doctor? Loose your medical? What money will you live off after retirement?

Child care ain't cheap in either country, but I think the US takes the price $$. There is no such thing as the NHS in Ft. Lauderdale and expect to pay $130 for a 5 min visit to the doctor and another $70 for antibiotics. LoL is it included in either deal? No 401k pension plan either is there?

My point is; in this net salary hysteria the low cost airlines are often doing pretty well, but the package as a whole isn't always that good.
172_driver is online now  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 22:11
  #29 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Location: Londinium
Posts: 28
Im a UK citizen living in the US currently flying for a regional; I hold both an EASA ATPL and an FAA ATP and I have to say I am intrigued as to what the Norwegian contract will look like. I thought that they might have taken advantage of offering the low annual vacation time that seems to be standard when you first start flying for a company over here. I've applied and completed the online tests and now they have asked to see a copy of my green card, so who knows. I'd be keen to see what benefits package they offer.
Daygo is offline  
Old 21st Oct 2016, 22:26
  #30 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53 32′ 9.19″ N, 9 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 585
Don't expect to many...
ExDubai is offline  
Old 22nd Oct 2016, 08:12
  #31 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Worldwide
Posts: 334
It's 'Publix', though 'Pubics' as you referred to is very much appropriate
BritishGuy is offline  
Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:19
  #32 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2013
Location: Somewhere
Posts: 81
I believe the FLL guys that doesn't have an EASA (some of them will already have) will be taken off the roster a few days every month and get teacher based lessons on the 14 ATPL subjects.

How is 28 days annual leave companred to the majors in the US? Do they have a lot more?
Boeing operator is offline  
Old 22nd Oct 2016, 10:55
  #33 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2002
Location: Dublin
Posts: 447
How about the " Right to live and work in USA" ? not so easy!
Kirks gusset is offline  
Old 22nd Oct 2016, 11:27
  #34 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2010
Location: Sydney
Posts: 272
I am intrigued as to what the Norwegian contract will look like. I thought that they might have taken advantage of offering the low annual vacation time that seems to be standard when you first start flying for a company over here.
Before resigning from your current position and relocating to Del Boca Vista, FLL, carefully read the agency contract to discover the “taken advantage” stipulations and clauses as an outsourced employee. Additionally, when securing your pay-to-fly bank loan (non 787 rated pilots must pay before joining Norwegian), you should check with your bank if temporary and tenuous employment precludes any mortgage loan.

A post on another thread proficiently summarizes the current and unsavory working environment at Norwegian:

http://www.pprune.org/terms-endearme...ml#post9542626

The disturbing management culture is not exclusive to shorthaul. Kjos and his henchmen continue to freely undermine labor rights and labor principles via direct employment circumvention. Alarmingly, this abhorrent labor model is now effectively state sponsored. The Norway Transport Minister, Solvik-Olsen, was in Washington last week to promote the Kjos “methods” in Norwegian’s US permit application (the longest waiting period ever):

http://e24.no/naeringsliv/norwegian-...ngton/23822161

Meanwhile, groups representing Norwegian's agency pilots continue their delusion of management “commitment” to consultation and cooperation. Given the ongoing reports of unsettled labor relations and conditions, I am curious as to any tangible effectiveness of the purported “Trans National Agreement in response to the challenges created by the complex business model that is being developed by Norwegian” - as stated by the Norwegian Pilot Group on its website:

http://norwegianpilotgroup.org/

It’s difficult to have empathy for a pilot group that boasts “an alliance uniting ALL Norwegian pilots” but accepts a continued undermining of labor rights and labor principles without a significant and collective response.

Complex employment circumvention schemes in aviation, as used by Norwegian Group Airlines, are best summarized in an EU Commission funded report:

https://www.eurocockpit.be/sites/def..._15_0212_f.pdf

“Civil aviation legislation does not take into account the prevalence of different forms of atypical employment and outsourcing in the rapidly changing civil aviation industry. Moreover, social legislation is not able to tackle the new phenomena, leaving room for elaborate subcontracting chains and elaborate social as well as fiscal engineering. As a result, the competition nowadays is a true race to the bottom, which affects fair competition and worker’s rights as well as raises important issues in the field of safety and liability.

It need be noted that lacking general transparency and oversight in the aviation sector by labor inspection authorities render it highly difficult to distinguish between the legal reality and the defacto conditions crew members are subjected to”

Couldn’t have said it any better……
Direct Bondi is offline  
Old 24th Oct 2016, 06:08
  #35 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Location: Somewhere in the world
Posts: 137
I'm curious about schedules. Read this posted by F/A's on glassdoor.com


"Transatlantic flights on 787"

StarStarStarStarStar
Current Employee - Cabin Crew in Fort Lauderdale, FL
Recommends
Positive Outlook
No opinion of CEO
I have been working at Norwegian Air Shuttle full-time (More than a year)

Pros
Great coworkers from all over the world. New large airplanes providing a good work environment. Great destinations in both Europe and U.S.

Cons
Long trips with little time at home in between, hard to balance family and work life. Schedules include positioning after working a transatlantic flight, making duty hours very long. Travel benefits are not great.

Advice to Management
Listen to cabin crew feedback.

Dec 14, 2015 Helpful (2)
Norwegian Air Shuttle Logo
"Cabin Crew"

StarStarStarStarStar
Former Employee - Cabin Crew in Fort Lauderdale, FL
Doesn't Recommend
Positive Outlook

Pros
Great people to work with. The planes were new and nice to be on. Destinations were exciting and new ones were added frequently. As a start-up company, climbing the ladder was an accessible goal anyone could reach for if they wanted. There was NOTHING wrong with being based in FLL.

Cons
Pay was not the best, but is it really ever? Schedules were often 21 days or longer away from home. No union and no easy way of changing/swapping shifts. Hotels left something to be desired and the turn-around time was often not enough to recuperate from a long haul journey across the Atlantic or North American continent.

Advice to Management
Make a better work/life balance.

Does anyone have any info on pilot schedules?
GoForIt is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2016, 14:29
  #36 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: usa
Posts: 77
Can someone pls post or pm their monthly schedule
HurryUp&Retire is offline  
Old 25th Oct 2016, 21:58
  #37 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Aug 2015
Location: Escaped the sandpit 53 32′ 9.19″ N, 9 50′ 13.29″ E
Posts: 585
Interesting, I wonder why Norwegian do not want to commit on that point. Maybe because OSM offers Asian contracts....
US pilot union would drop opposition to Dublin-based Norwegian Air unit if contract pledge made - Independent.ie

“They just need to tell that to the DOT in a filing so that they’re committed to it,” said Mr Canoll, who claimed that ALPA has made attempts to encourage NAI to make that commitment, but that NAI has “refused”.
ExDubai is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2016, 02:09
  #38 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Jun 2001
Location: On The Golf Course - On the River..!!
Posts: 38
Well - For you guys who are not up to date with what's going on the European side ... OSM stands for "Orient Ship Management"
So if you sign up ... you can get the image.
The boss of OSM is a Scandinavian ... who was (allegedly) nicked by the Scandi authorities for being a naughty boy.
If you Google and check out the above and the principle personage.. It might have a bearing on your options and decisions
ScottyDawg is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2016, 02:43
  #39 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2008
Location: Been around the block
Posts: 442
Why is the pay so low?🤔
4runner is offline  
Old 26th Oct 2016, 07:04
  #40 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 1999
Location: UK
Posts: 158
Because unbelievably pilots will accept it, so why should they pay more?
nosmo king is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.