Aerologic

[seventree]

Hi BF, I hope your assessment prep (or actual assessment now being august...) is going/went well. Any chance you could share how long it took for them to invite you after you applied? Thanks!

[oldkarim]

Hi folks, is the german language required? 'Cause the advertisment says english is enough but I have heard pretty rumours about people not getting called due to german level 0 .

[HeadUpTheTailpipe]

I have a friend who went for the interview several months ago. Indeed, they advertise that German is no longer a requirement. However, that is not the case in reality. Conversational fluency required to progress past the first stage, apparently.

the HUTT

[andreo]

Hello cockpit fellas!

Ich habe auch asssessment with Aerologic in Oct.
After reading this thread i specifically asked about the german language requirement and the reply was the following;
"the daily business (flying, documentation,…) is of course in English. Nevertheless, it is always good to have German language skills for small talk within the team.
For the assessment it is required to be able to do the small talk parts in German.
Some tasks will also be in German, some can be done in English, depending on the task."
I hope this clarifies although i find it vague. I don't get what interest would they have to pay accomodation and dinner for people that are not suitable from the begining.

I tried to PM BearingFail but aparently i am not allowed. Could you please PM me with some details of the assessment. Did you used SkyTest to prepair? What sections were relevant.
Best of luck to y'all, hear you on 121.5 )))

[Baz1997]

any feedback on recruitment?

[andreo]

Not from me,

I cancelled my assessment, they were not able to confirm the level of German needed and and all the intel i've gathered was pointing to a high command of the german language, which i lack.
just said pass

goodluck to the others

[Klimax]

Originally Posted by andreo

Not from me,

I cancelled my assessment, they were not able to confirm the level of German needed and and all the intel i've gathered was pointing to a high command of the german language, which i lack.
just said pass

goodluck to the others

Yeah, not impressive to know such a carrier lacks the ability to speak English, whether professionally or small talk. Restricted to the point of retarded. Ordnung muss sein. Weiter gehen. Schnell.

[White Sausage]

Originally Posted by Klimax

Yeah, not impressive to know such a carrier lacks the ability to speak English, whether professionally or small talk. Restricted to the point of retarded. Ordnung muss sein. Weiter gehen. Schnell.

Well, then learn German, for crying out loud! French airlines require French, Dutch require Dutch and Spanish airlines require Spanish! Big deal!! They don’t owe you anything, if you are so desperate to join then put in some effort!

[mattpilot]

Does anyone know how long you typically stay an SO before you get to upgrade to FO ?

[rudestuff]

I believe if you join with 200 hours they give you a type rating and you're cruise relief pilot until about 1500 hours. Then a few more sims and they might let you land the thing.
It's probably a gentler way into the right seat than the usual cadet route.

[mattpilot]

Interesting. I got an assessment soon and am weighing my options. I also got 2 other assessments ongoing with national airlines as an FO, but they move at a glacial pace compared to what aerologic seems to be doing. I dont have any CS25 experience, but close to 1000 hours. I'd hate being stuck as a cruise relief pilot for years, but a 777 rating is quite enticing (plus the QoL of flying boxes Longhaul). But the low pay also has not escaped me... Any advice? :-)

[magnum]

Guys I believe the FO course starts about a year after being on the line as SO.

[rplyz]

Hey Guys,
any infos on what to prepare for exactly? Is Physics being asked as RE or just General Technical Questions.
Also how is the maths section?
unfortunately there is barely information on the internet

[Baz1997]

do you have invitation for assessment? How long did you have to wait when you sent your's CV?

[Central Scrutinizer]

Originally Posted by mattpilot

Interesting. I got an assessment soon and am weighing my options. I also got 2 other assessments ongoing with national airlines as an FO, but they move at a glacial pace compared to what aerologic seems to be doing. I dont have any CS25 experience, but close to 1000 hours. I'd hate being stuck as a cruise relief pilot for years, but a 777 rating is quite enticing (plus the QoL of flying boxes Longhaul). But the low pay also has not escaped me... Any advice? :-)

Any idea of how low is low?

Is the 777 type rating you get a "normal" type rating or does it have any restrictions attached to it?

Do you know if you need to transfer your licence to Germany if you have it with Austro Control?

[Louis XIV]

Originally Posted by mattpilot

Interesting. I got an assessment soon and am weighing my options. I also got 2 other assessments ongoing with national airlines as an FO, but they move at a glacial pace compared to what aerologic seems to be doing. I dont have any CS25 experience, but close to 1000 hours. I'd hate being stuck as a cruise relief pilot for years, but a 777 rating is quite enticing (plus the QoL of flying boxes Longhaul). But the low pay also has not escaped me... Any advice? :-)

so let me ask you a simple question: what kind of salary do you expect when joining an airline as a low hour F/O? I am confident that you can easily present some figures that would represent „an adequate amount“ for your effort.

you mentioned that you didn’t even attend the assessment yet…so how do you know about T&C at AeroLogic.
I have to admit that I am not someone who you can call a „fanboy“, neither am I an AeroLogic-Jünger but if you compare the salary to other Airlines within the LH-Group, then you have to honestly say that for someone coming out of flightschool or someone with low hours, payment at AeroLogic isn’t that bad.

[Louis XIV]

Originally Posted by Central Scrutinizer

Any idea of how low is low?

Is the 777 type rating you get a "normal" type rating or does it have any restrictions attached to it?

Do you know if you need to transfer your licence to Germany if you have it with Austro Control?

If I remember correctly, you will have a restriction on your license as long as you are acting as second officer (cruise relief pilot)
As soon as you complete you training to FO, you will have this restriction revoked.
Requirements for a second officer to upgrade to F/O are 750 hours MPA within the company.

when joining AeroLogic you are required by contract to transfer your license to LBA.

[mattpilot]

Originally Posted by Louis XIV

so let me ask you a simple question: what kind of salary do you expect when joining an airline as a low hour F/O? I am confident that you can easily present some figures that would represent „an adequate amount“ for your effort.

you mentioned that you didn’t even attend the assessment yet…so how do you know about T&C at AeroLogic.
I have to admit that I am not someone who you can call a „fanboy“, neither am I an AeroLogic-Jünger but if you compare the salary to other Airlines within the LH-Group, then you have to honestly say that for someone coming out of flightschool or someone with low hours, payment at AeroLogic isn’t that bad.

I've been at the assessment. The offer is 53k starting, 3 year bond. Upgrade to FO once you have 750 hours on type at the next opportunity and its done automatically.

As for it being 'low' .. well even if you upgrade to FO, its i think 63k, but i dont remember.

Compare that with starting at a LH subsidiary, you are looking at 70k at AUA & Cityline/CityAirline, and 90k at Swiss.

Its not a bad deal at all, but i think the plus points come from the type of flying, not the pay (and having to be based in leipzig).

[oldkarim]

Originally Posted by mattpilot

I've been at the assessment. The offer is 53k starting, 3 year bond. Upgrade to FO once you have 750 hours on type at the next opportunity and its done automatically.

As for it being 'low' .. well even if you upgrade to FO, its i think 63k, but i dont remember.

Compare that with starting at a LH subsidiary, you are looking at 70k at AUA & Cityline/CityAirline, and 90k at Swiss.

Its not a bad deal at all, but i think the plus points come from the type of flying, not the pay (and having to be based in leipzig).

Thanks, Just curious, even if you join as experienced F/O with over 2000h , you start as SO?

[mattpilot]

Originally Posted by oldkarim

Thanks, Just curious, even if you join as experienced F/O with over 2000h , you start as SO?

No.. there is a seperate FO process done with interpersonnel. The SO selection is for 'cadets'. They explained they have an agreement with the LBA where they can take NTR guys, simulator train them as cruise relief pilots, and once they get 750 hours they then qualify for a full ZFT TR. It saves the cost of having to do base training in a 777 where supposedly only cycling the gear once costs 4.5k in maintenance costs.

But even once you become FO, you still have cruise relief duties. You can expect about 300 landings over 10 years (thats according to their math).