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Old 10th Dec 2015, 11:49
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COMB I believe forgot to add our Flexi Benefits scheme. The company gives us cash in an account to spend as you wish. You must spend it though you can't withdraw it as hard cash. I use mine for LOL insurance.

Staff travel is crap so I usually go with another carrier. Crew food is dire but a work in progress for BALPA. We are a very successful company so expectations are strong amongst Union members. Get the bid system in, sort out the rosters and I'm as happy as a pig in .......
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:22
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It will be interesting how the bid system will work. We went to a strict non-rotational seniority based bidding system at my narrow body short-medium haul company and the lifestyle for the majority of the crew has become virtually unbearable with maximum 8 off in 28 days, alternating night and day flights and single days off. Fatigue reports through the roof and getting worse because so many are now leaving. It had been a disaster for all but the senior 10%. The irony is now that we are so short of crew as a result, even they are struggling to make their bids work.

Prior to the bidding system, the roster was great. Usually 12-14 days off and 850hrs/year.

Anyway, I have question about Porto and Lisbon DEC. Is it possible to get back to the UK regularly. Is jump seat travel possible?
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:25
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The bid system will work within the current fixed pattern so there should be no change to days off as I understand it. I would imagine it will be earlies/lates, long / short sectors, night stops / no night stops etc etc.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:27
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You might apply for commuter travel, but youŽll nee to prove UK domicile. Commuting will be very difficult tough, because you donŽt have a fix roster pattern (which is great for commuters). LGW base would suit you much better I would expect.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:31
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Anyone join EZY full time with the intention of commuting needs their head read.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 12:44
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Sciolistes, in Lis/Opo you will have 11 days off a month. Most of the time they come in pairs, occasionally you will have three in a row and exceptionally a single day off. In short: forget commuting.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 13:10
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Starting salary within ezy as a second officer is just over Ł40k. Moan all you want but as a 20 something cadet if you can't live on that I think you've borrowed too much and probably need to review. Grow up, basically.
And there lies the problem. You, like easyJet, have just assumed that an SO is going to be a twenty something cadet with no experience. There is currently no scope for appropriately positioning someone with more experience further up the scale as you and the company just assume everyone comes straight from CTC into the RHS. There are exceptions and they should be treated as such.

With my experience I would suggest that it is not too much to ask to go straight into an FO position at the very least. I know it's only a year in the greater scheme of things but that's still a long time and, coupled with the the fact that LH is part of the endgame, that's why I voted with my feet.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 13:39
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Thanks blackred, ezy and SpGo.

LGW would be perfect but will need NTR DEC to become a reality there first!
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 13:49
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And there lies the problem. You, like easyJet, have just assumed that an SO is going to be a twenty something cadet with no experience. There is currently no scope for appropriately positioning someone with more experience further up the scale as you and the company just assume everyone comes straight from CTC into the RHS. There are exceptions and they should be treated as such.

With my experience I would suggest that it is not too much to ask to go straight into an FO position at the very least. I know it's only a year in the greater scheme of things but that's still a long time and, coupled with the the fact that LH is part of the endgame, that's why I voted with my feet.
In most sectors experience is rewarded with a salary commensurate. So, if you move from Bank A to B or are promoted within the same company you are rewarded with a higher salary as you do a job that someone else can't, or hasn't got the requisite experience to. Sadly, in this situation a CTC cadet with 50 sectors training can fulfill the job of competent co-pilot just as well as you, thus you are not rewarded for your experience, however much you value it.

Any decision to join eJ must take this into account. You will, however, be able to enter the command process quite soon and then the 120k will be yours!
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 14:36
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I'm not assuming anything Plastic 787. 80% of those I fly with are 20 something cadets. Ł42k is a reasonable salary. There is scope for DE FO, I've flown with them. The secret is to not blink first. Many moons ago when I was going through the selection I was offered a lower salary grade and said "no thanks". Six weeks later I'm offered an improved deal, "yes please". We even have DEC. The NEC was only ever for new entrants. Those with experience will be governed by the market. Decide what you're worth and don't accept less.

If a TRE leaves EZY to join BA he is joining on PP1. Where are the exceptions you crave ? If a partner leaves a law firm to join a competitor he wouldn't usually find himself starting as the 'tea boy'. I'm against seniority, can you guess!? It's BA's train set so either sign it or clear off.

Enjoy BA, great number in some ways.

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Old 10th Dec 2015, 15:54
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They are looking for captains in Lisbon.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 15:58
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They are looking for captains in Lisbon.
They are always looking for Captains in LIS because the contract is crap!
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 21:29
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I agree with those saying money is not everything - but it is a significant factor for most people and you certainly need to know what the deal is. Regarding the European base salaries, they are so tax-dependant that I would be loathe to state them here. There is no doubt the Portuguese salaries are the worst by a long way, although I am told the Barcelona deal is not too exciting either. Nonetheless, once you have done your penance at those bases you can move around to the better deals if that is what you want.

I particularly recommend blackred1443's post as being balanced and accurate. We have crazy roster disruption in the summer that BA guys simply don't get - it is a disgrace but we are on it with the Union. I have, however, pretty-well accepted that for the rest of my career July and August will be write-offs and don't expect much to change there. Ultimately we employ less pilots than BA so disruption kills us in a way it does not with them. Overall, if you are young and get into BA it would be a brave man who turns it down, but if like me you want to be home every night then we have a great deal to recommend us. The 5/3/5/4 pattern is also a huge plus that BA cannot offer. If you are fortunate enough to have the choice then you are blessed indeed.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 22:59
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I'm a long haul pilot based in the far east. Being away isn't great. But I've done short haul too. And I'll tell you what, I can't remember it enough to say if it was worse. If you find a decent long haul outfit in the UK (either of the 2 ) it is hard pushed to say whether 5 days of up at 0300 or back home at 0300 is worse than eastern seaboard and back, or Boston with the jet lag from the 24 hour slip then into 3 days off.

You know, to this day I still can't decide or get my head around it. And Ive been doing it a fair old wack. You sit down on the bed in a hotel in NY with 1.5 nights away from home and think "this isn't home" and feel lonely for a little bit. Yet, 1.5 nights on a short haul roster, or charter airline roster flying deep nights. Would I be more happy? Rested? Would I appreciate home after those 5 days work? I don't know.

I wish it were possible to try an Easy roster for a day. I'd probably be shell shocked being a fat long haul slob But then I would've have to do 4-5 days solid schlepping at O' whatever hundred before my days off, whereas 2 flights, home, albeit jet lagged, then days off? I don't know. I honestly don't know.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 23:22
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We also do kind of long-flights such as Sharm el Sheik, Canary Island, Tel Aviv... And back! YouŽll accumulate the same as going to NYC But remember 2 TO and LDGs To be fair, no time crossings (yet)

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Old 12th Dec 2015, 20:56
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UK regional base as a CP I've managed to just break 600 hours for the year...just. Full time contract. Key is to avoid LGW ! Love the fixed pattern and have only night stopped 3 nights all year, all for SIM.
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Old 12th Dec 2015, 21:05
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Couldn't agree more .UK regional base your laughing ,esp if you have young family .

Haven't night-stopped for years except sim , same money as the LGW boys and girls , buy yourself a castle for the same cash as a creepy Crawley flat .

If you need the sun every week or to become a TRE then prob not for you,but for mere mortals hard to beat.

As C Of Mb mentions the deal financially is pretty good and I've never had a fatigue ,sickness or command decision questioned, ever .... not because I'm some super hero (I'm not) .
Yes there are things that we could and should do better but overall the big Orange is not that bad a place to be .
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Old 13th Dec 2015, 19:31
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Quick questions...

Great thread, thanks everyone, especially Count Bisto for your informative input!

I have a few questions if anyone would like to respond. Talking about a LGW base (obviously not immediately, but when they hire there again)

1. When you talk about the roster changes, does that include changing your days off? Or are they set in stone?

2. Do FO get the same 5/3/5/4 as the captains, or a different scheme?

3. Can annual leave be taken as single days here and there, or is there a minimum chunk? Can you take 5 days leave and get a 12 day block including rostered days off?

4. Is there any chance to take a week of leave in August or thereabouts, or is that simply not possible?

5. What are the max hrs in a month and a year?

6. Can anyone send me an indicative month or two roster?

Thanks in advance!
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Old 13th Dec 2015, 22:37
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Great thread, thanks everyone, especially Count Bisto for your informative input!

I have a few questions if anyone would like to respond. Talking about a LGW base (obviously not immediately, but when they hire there again)

1. When you talk about the roster changes, does that include changing your days off? Or are they set in stone?

2. Do FO get the same 5/3/5/4 as the captains, or a different scheme?

3. Can annual leave be taken as single days here and there, or is there a minimum chunk? Can you take 5 days leave and get a 12 day block including rostered days off?

4. Is there any chance to take a week of leave in August or thereabouts, or is that simply not possible?

5. What are the max hrs in a month and a year?

6. Can anyone send me an indicative month or two roster?

Thanks in advance!


1. Days off set in stone, in 7 years I have never had a phone call from easyjet after checkout I.e days off or after duty. They can only call you on duty.

2. No only SFO

3. Yes single days or blocks but you can't leave a single working day. That's on a fixed roster. Random rosters that new joiners are on you have guaranteed days off each month you can request but don't know how it works. Also on random for leave if you book one day off you get a day either side wrap around for free so 1 leave day equals three off, these wrap around days increase on the number of days taken off.

4. Depends, it's hard but the system is meant to work in that if you get leave in these months like Xmas they incure higher penalty points so the following year your down the list when you bid for leave and prob unlikely get it again until the following year after when in theory not getting good weeks that year your now up the list on low points and so on. So every other year you should get 'what you want' if you always need to bid for school holidays etc. Doesn't always work though.

5. 100 flying

6. No because the last 2 months I've had 20-30 hrs which isn't normal really. I tend to average around 700 hours a year.

The good....Best short/medium haul gig in town if your at a regional base and get onto a standard 'old Skool' contract after a few years, good pay same as my charter mates and a few hundred less than my BA chums when I was an FO, now a skipper so higher now, security, flying variety and good colleagues to fly with, thank you letters with a bottle champagne every Xmas and when you 'go the extra mile' like when a day has been challenging always nice to get back into the crew room to have a bottle of wine and a card from the base captain waiting there , free shares, Xmas bonus . Never been questioned when off sick (quite a few times) or fatigued (happened twice in 7 years).

The bad...no long haul if you don't want to be home every night, LGW hard work, new joiners contract for the first 2-3 years I don't agree with during record profits time. i find 4 sector days allot more fatigueing than extra long 2 sector days. Pension 7% from company isn't good enough it should be at least 12% in my eyes, Some people prefer 4 sectors. I couldn't be doing it full time past 55. Uniform quality EZY can be penny proud, pound foolish.

No matter what people say it's not BA but it's not far off for many. BA offer a great overall package with the option to change fleets and control over rosters.

Time to command about 4-5 years (will change as we stop expanding and people are far off from retirement)

Pay Capt 100k basic plus loyalty bonus (10% each year paid on month of joining up until 10years then 15% which is great it's about 25K in one month before the tax man helps himself) plus sector pay . So 120k-130k

Pay SFO 60k basic plus loyalty and sector. 70-75k (up to 5 years loyalty pay is 5%)

Not sure about the new joiners pay for the first few years heard it's about 42k second officer no sector pay for a year then 52k First officer and sector pay and it's a few thousand hours for SFO....not 100% though.

The good, the bad and the ugly

Last edited by Captain Spam Can; 13th Dec 2015 at 22:54. Reason: More info on pension and BA
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Old 14th Dec 2015, 09:52
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Thanks for the detailed info!

Will they hire direct onto SO/FO/SFO grades according to experience?

Thanks again.
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