Actual BA Pay
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Ah blue pilot
Does your comment mean you think BA pilots should be thrown to the mercy of BA? Remind me again, who do you work for?
Those wishing to criticise BA BALPA should possibly bear in mind BA are recruiting more pilots in the next 3 years than Virgin employ!! (we'll try not to mention that Virgin have no effective pilot union - another discussion!)
Compare and/or contrast BA's expanding pilot numbers with any other legacy carrier in the world?
Likely without BALPA? Don't make me laugh!!
Does your comment mean you think BA pilots should be thrown to the mercy of BA? Remind me again, who do you work for?
Those wishing to criticise BA BALPA should possibly bear in mind BA are recruiting more pilots in the next 3 years than Virgin employ!! (we'll try not to mention that Virgin have no effective pilot union - another discussion!)
Compare and/or contrast BA's expanding pilot numbers with any other legacy carrier in the world?
Likely without BALPA? Don't make me laugh!!
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Compare and/or contrast BA's expanding pilot numbers with any other legacy carrier in the world?
Likely without BALPA? Don't make me laugh!!
Likely without BALPA? Don't make me laugh!!
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From: UK
The payscales are reviewed periodically, but essentially they remain constant. They are uplifted with any payrises that happen along the way. Any changes to the payscales would be a much bigger issue and tend to happen when an issue has raised it's head to such an extent that either BA or BALPA (though normally BA) feel that the situation is such that it has to change.
Things are acute at the moment with regard to pilot numbers and the small amounts paid for overtime. There is much history to this but BA are desperate to weather the recruitment storm and not to increase the overtime rate. Traditionally BA run light on pilots and expect "martini men" to pick up the inevitable overtime. It is much cheaper to pay a little overtime than to employ another pilot(s). The problem for BA is that they pushed this too far and LH pilots are bouncing off the 900 hour limit and SH pilots don't pick up overtime as they are knackered, hence the recruitment problem. The upshot of all this is that overtime rates may change, but it is a race - will the manning this summer become so acute that to attract more people to do more overtime they have to make it more attractive? or will the recruitment panic deal with the problem so that the lack of bodies issue abates?
This is a typical reason to see a review in the pay system, though in this case not the pay scales.
Things are acute at the moment with regard to pilot numbers and the small amounts paid for overtime. There is much history to this but BA are desperate to weather the recruitment storm and not to increase the overtime rate. Traditionally BA run light on pilots and expect "martini men" to pick up the inevitable overtime. It is much cheaper to pay a little overtime than to employ another pilot(s). The problem for BA is that they pushed this too far and LH pilots are bouncing off the 900 hour limit and SH pilots don't pick up overtime as they are knackered, hence the recruitment problem. The upshot of all this is that overtime rates may change, but it is a race - will the manning this summer become so acute that to attract more people to do more overtime they have to make it more attractive? or will the recruitment panic deal with the problem so that the lack of bodies issue abates?
This is a typical reason to see a review in the pay system, though in this case not the pay scales.
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@ Widebdy.
I too worked as an 'agency pilot' and paid foreign tax broadly equivalent to the rates demanded by HMRC. I always filed a UK tax return.
Some, knowingly underpaid tax. Not me. I have a clear conscience about my time with FR. You evidently do not!
Incidentally, I currently pay full UK tax as a higher rate tax payer.
All the best, Sir.
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I too worked as an 'agency pilot' and paid foreign tax broadly equivalent to the rates demanded by HMRC. I always filed a UK tax return. Some, knowingly underpaid tax. Not me. I have a clear conscience about my time with FR. You evidently do not!
Incidentally, I currently pay full UK tax as a higher rate tax payer.
All the best, Sir.
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Hi guys,
What exactly are the figures after tax that guys at BA are making? Myself and my colleagues are looking at other options, we are flying over 900hrs in 365 days , probably about 60% or more is at night and we are really concerned if we can continue this for another 40yrs as we are in our mid twenties. If year 1 is 80k net then our salary of 95k does not seem so great, considering all the added benefits.
What exactly are the figures after tax that guys at BA are making? Myself and my colleagues are looking at other options, we are flying over 900hrs in 365 days , probably about 60% or more is at night and we are really concerned if we can continue this for another 40yrs as we are in our mid twenties. If year 1 is 80k net then our salary of 95k does not seem so great, considering all the added benefits.
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Plan on paying for food in hotels yourself, out of your allowances (there are a handful of exceptions that do provide free brecky etc, but not many).
Plan on paying for food in hotels yourself, out of your allowances (there are a handful of exceptions that do provide free brecky etc, but not many).
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Hi guys,
What exactly are the figures after tax that guys at BA are making? Myself and my colleagues are looking at other options, we are flying over 900hrs in 365 days , probably about 60% or more is at night and we are really concerned if we can continue this for another 40yrs as we are in our mid twenties. If year 1 is 80k net then our salary of 95k does not seem so great, considering all the added benefits.
What exactly are the figures after tax that guys at BA are making? Myself and my colleagues are looking at other options, we are flying over 900hrs in 365 days , probably about 60% or more is at night and we are really concerned if we can continue this for another 40yrs as we are in our mid twenties. If year 1 is 80k net then our salary of 95k does not seem so great, considering all the added benefits.
See post 6 for the closest answer!
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The question is not relevant as we do not take DEP commands. When you move from RHS to LHS you move at the the same paypoint. At the moment there are some very junior guys getting commands at LGW, seniority just shy of 3100, I doubt that this trend will continue though and would expect LGW commands to become more senior again in the next training year - I have no inside info on that, it is just my reading of the situation; others will have different opinions.
Command pay gives you no greater amount of allowances etc, just the uplift in basic, so you can work out the amount from that.
Command pay gives you no greater amount of allowances etc, just the uplift in basic, so you can work out the amount from that.
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One Day soon posted....
Post 6 is by far the most accurate on here but not without mistakes I think....
AFAIK....
FPA is £623.72 per month short haul not £715.46
allowances are £3.39 ph not £3.99 ph
You are quite correct £3.99 is a typo of £3.39...
FPA on my March payslip was £715.46 which is where I got this from. Looking at May your correct again... It is £623.72... Not sure why it's higher in March but I won't complain
Apologies for these little mistakes but as I said before £4000 net a month will see you in the correct ball park.
Post 6 is by far the most accurate on here but not without mistakes I think....
AFAIK....
FPA is £623.72 per month short haul not £715.46
allowances are £3.39 ph not £3.99 ph
You are quite correct £3.99 is a typo of £3.39...
FPA on my March payslip was £715.46 which is where I got this from. Looking at May your correct again... It is £623.72... Not sure why it's higher in March but I won't complain
Apologies for these little mistakes but as I said before £4000 net a month will see you in the correct ball park.
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From: The Winchester
Umm.. I probably could get very close, but given you're so specific with your parameters I'd be very interested in your motives for asking.
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Gwinny
Just in case there I you haven't got a hidden agenda for the sake of politeness I will add that as you can now see there is some sensitivity about providing exact amounts, especially on an open forum, and having heard the stories from colleagues I would say that's often for very understandable reasons..
If you are still interested there are plenty of pilot pay type websites that may give a rough idea, but TBH without knowing whether the individual involved is a part timer/trainer/manager/does extra work it's impossible to give a meaningful or in any way accurate answer, since there are too many variables.
BTW given the BA pay point system I think his/her time as a captain is irrelevant, though it might help give some who joined BA around the same time a vague hint as to the identity of the object of your attention...
Just in case there I you haven't got a hidden agenda for the sake of politeness I will add that as you can now see there is some sensitivity about providing exact amounts, especially on an open forum, and having heard the stories from colleagues I would say that's often for very understandable reasons..
If you are still interested there are plenty of pilot pay type websites that may give a rough idea, but TBH without knowing whether the individual involved is a part timer/trainer/manager/does extra work it's impossible to give a meaningful or in any way accurate answer, since there are too many variables.
BTW given the BA pay point system I think his/her time as a captain is irrelevant, though it might help give some who joined BA around the same time a vague hint as to the identity of the object of your attention...
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