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Old 26th Apr 2019, 19:45
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@brushcounsel: I do not know the situation of other companies working for Wizz Air or Ryan Air or LOT or any other airline. But in my case I actually own an aircraft that I rent plus I will become an FI and will perform service to a flight school. So no matter how they would change the law (that they decided to do not change) I will absolutely not be working for a single company and that way totally legally have my own company. As of Switzerland I do not know anything about it so I plan to have my company as it is in Poland and pay tax for it in Poland which is also my country of residence.

As for tax evasion attitude.... well if you ever lived in Norway and saw what they use your tax to fund then you would know that pretending alcoholics getting 80 % of their previous salary for the rest of their life is the smallest thing, they build fashion public toilets for like 5 mln Euro or pay full salary to an artist who..... runs naked on the stage and its culture worth your tax money in Norway..... Well in Poland its not tax evasion but TOTALLY LEGAL and according to Polish law company practice. Every company can have a phone, car, computer or whatever else you need or can use in your company as an expense. Microsoft, Apple every big company is doing that legally and you wish common people should not be able to do the same ? How fair would it be?
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 20:36
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OK this is getting too political. I was just looking for which base to ask for
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Old 26th Apr 2019, 20:57
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Any base flies the maximum, so the question is moot.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 09:44
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Originally Posted by KT1988 View Post
@Flytster: Well you have to pay the legal tax of course but you are free to choose where you live as a pilot. For example as a pilot I can live in Poland and pay the minimal ZUS for companies + 19 % linear tax for companies (I am not yet done with my fATPL + FI but I own a plane that I rent) instead of for example 47 % tax in Norway and extra tax on everything you can imagine is fun to have (like a car) in your daily life + tax if you own more than about 150 000 Euro (because you keep investing your money for example instead of spending it wildly on unnecessary things). And its not barely legal but 100 % legal to live wherever you wish to live in Europe if you are a pilot and you have to pay the tax in the country where your company is active. As a pilot you are actually flying everywhere where the airline want you to so some people can probably have an official base in Switzerland and where they do actually live depends on where they are actually performing their work for the airline. As for me the Polish system is currently good enough after living in Norway its almost as a tax free heaven. As for social security, pension, health insurance.... you get much more "bang for your buck" if you buy private insurance and keep saving your money in some stock fund or keep investing in aircraft, flats, homes for rent literally anything (except for risky shares or scams) will be much much much better than government programs that are invented to make you pay more than you get back as pension.

PS. You do not make a deal with society, over 50 % of society do not even vote. You are being governed by politicians and as a pilot in addition to having the best job in the world (Its almost not a job (maybe except the paperwork bit) because its fun and enjoyable so its almost as being paid to do something you love) you are able to say "I do not like this government so I move somewhere where the government suit me". Try that with any other land based job (other than being a stock trader) without knowing the local language to where you wish to move.

I would say .. go and make your own experiences. I have made them by working in two different countries outside of Europe. Now me and my family is happy to be back. Inprefer to earn less money but to live in a good country with good welfare, health care, Kindergardens/ schools

But if you allow .. I recommend you to to get things right with modern state theory by reading Machiavelli, Rousseau, Hobbes, Locke etc.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 09:52
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
OK this is getting too political. I was just looking for which base to ask for
Not going to Wizz Air would be the smartest option.

Unless you are already flying for one of the bottom-feeding Eastern European A320 ACMI operators.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 09:55
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Actually, I am flying on another aircraft in central Europe. Money is good but I am not flying a lot. Only 20 hours per month on average.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 10:01
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe View Post
Actually, I am flying on another aircraft in central Europe. Money is good but I am not flying a lot. Only 20 hours per month on average.
If it's B737, you're better off with Ryanair. And if it's something else, do not get bonded by Wizz Air and go to easyJet after 500 hrs, as every sensible person does.

At least with those two you will earn more and there will be a less probability of getting a base without 24/7 running water and electricity (I bet they won't tell you this at your interview).
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 10:25
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Originally Posted by brushcounsel View Post
If it's B737, you're better off with Ryanair. And if it's something else, do not get bonded by Wizz Air and go to easyJet after 500 hrs, as every sensible person does.

At least with those two you will earn more and there will be a less probability of getting a base without 24/7 running water and electricity (I bet they won't tell you this at your interview).
To Easy where they monitor and report any action of you like soviet secret service in earlier times ? ok you are right ... compared to the other two options it’s like heaven .. hehe
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 10:43
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But back to the more aviation taxation related stuff: You do not need an own AOC if your plane is working for a flight school under their AOC and you are performing as an FI for the school and renting your aircraft to the school. In the mean time you can also offer pilot services to an airline or even to private people who got their own aircraft. That way your company work for different companies and it will always be legal no matter how they change the law. And its both fair and natural that private persons should have the same rights as big corporations.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 15:40
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To Easy where they monitor and report any action of you like soviet secret service in earlier times ? ok you are right ... compared to the other two options it’s like heaven .. hehe
What kind of monitoring are you talking about? FDM or something else?
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 15:58
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Originally Posted by brushcounsel View Post
What kind of monitoring are you talking about? FDM or something else?
Reporting of any kind for bullshit, forcing the crews to speak English even if you are a crew of Locals only, basically some station managers are spying and report even if you have a private conversation in your own language! Getting invited for coffee without cookies and getting asked why you did not write a report when other crew members did report that f.e. Cpt went too many times to the toilet. That’s no joke. Got a lot of examples of many ex colleagues working there now or who swapped company after getting to know the orange spirit in detail. Many who stay say .. thats true but after all the “package” is good.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 16:04
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Back to aviation related topics: First of all I am already legally renting my aircraft to the flight school and its both insured and flying under their AOC while I am the owner of it (investor) and all the papers are in order with the CAA, and when I get my FI rating I will be performing FI service to the school just like commercial pilots perform their service to Wizz Air, Ryan Air, LOT, Enter Air and other airlines in Poland plus I will also perform services to the airline that will employ me. And everything will be 100 % perfectly legal so there is no bending of anything like people suggest.

As for the airlines I believe they wish to have people up to the task and up to the job. People who realize they are not entitled to the job and who understand that they got the responsibility and the state will NOT fix it if they fail. When you are flying an aircraft you can not just say for example: "the weather is unfair, my gf broke up via SMS and my friend crashed my car and just sent a picture.... so I will call sick while in mid air and ask the politicians to land for me" if you take off then you have to do the job no matter your feelings. Especially if you have passengers in a commercial aircraft. Its not Norway where the state will fix it if you make a mistake in your life, you can kill yourself and 100s of people (depending on the aircraft you fly and its capacity) if you fail and there is no state to fix it for you. Its you who have to perform and deliver and life of others depend on you.... The job of a pilot is one of the few jobs that politicians can not just give to everyone because someone is entitled to the job, you have to do your job. It will not work to go to an assessment and say "I am entitled to get the job as pilot, and I am entitled to at least a new shiny jet do not even think of giving me a turboprop. I am entitled and I want that new shiny, or I will cry and call the state that you discriminate me." it just won`t work. You have to actually have the proper skills its not a state job in Norway where they give you a job within the state just because. You have to be up to the task and the responsibility and be ready to improve yourself everyday, learn something new, get better all the time.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 19:00
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Guys, you are breaking our balls with Norway and Poland and speed limits and all these stuff... This is a Wizzair topic you know!
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 19:06
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Aviation related stuff: First of all if you (or someone else its nothing personal I do never argument ad personam) paid 150 000 Euro to become a pilot then its that persons and not the systems fault. Cause it is possible to use 100 000 Euro to become a pilot with FI rating and get your very own private aircraft (used of course) included in that price. So maybe using 150 000 Euro is part of the reason why some people feel entitled to fly "the new shiny jet and a red carpet rolled out to them by the airlines". But its not how it works its about the skill, the work to improve yourself and learn all the time. Not getting a loan from "lånekassen" and then feeling entitled to a high salary and big shiny jet cause someone paid twice, triple or quadruple what was necessary to pay to get the licenses and training.

Just recently I read a post in the topic about Ryan Air assessment, where someone complained it was Ryan Air fault that he did not get employed and he used the argument that he finished a fancy expensive school and that people from that school got jobs at legacy carriers so it was almost impossible that he did something wrong it had to be the airlines fault. And the next argument was that other people from the fancy school (did not mention the name of the school) did not get the job at Ryan Air so that had to be the airlines fault....... While maybe the airlines like Ryan Air and Wizz Air actually assess the skill and dedication to flying instead of what school someone finished. I actually believe the airlines prefer when people do not feel "I am entitled to because" but rather are professional and work hard to learn as much as possible and do the best possible job because aviation is their passion not only a job.

As for flying as FI for a flight school and working for an airline well I do not know how it is in UK. But actually in Poland we got part time FIs flying for Ryan Air, LOT, Sprint Air, Enter Air and Wizz Air. And the airlines do not view it as something bad that people got a passion to fly or instruct in their free time. Actually the best FI I have been taught by (actually all of my FIs were great so I was lucky there, but one is really exceptional) is part time FI flying for the airlines normally, but he got a passion for flying and instructing and did not stop doing it after getting an airline job.

PS. Sorry everyone for the off topic part but just had to answer to 2unlimited. Rest of the post is aviation related and maybe some Wizz Air candidates may be interested in possibilities to be employed as a company and that its completely legal in Poland for example.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 19:17
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Guys, you are breaking our balls with Norway and Poland and speed limits and all these stuff... This is a Wizzair topic you know!
Had enough of this crap also, reported them both.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 19:18
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Had enough of this crap also, reported them both.
Good! I was just about to...
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 21:01
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@2unlimited: It should be relevant to the topic if pilots in Wizz Air or Ryan Air can or can not fly as FI. Pilots in LOT (and only LOT got the wide-body with a base in Poland as an later career option for their pilots but I will also be very happy with Wizz Air or Ryan Air or Enter Air or Sprint Air) can for sure and officially (but most of them do not get close to 900 hours per year) both as FI for SEP, MEP and IR. What I know for sure is that the FI regulation says that you can do 8 hours flight instructing per 24 hours and they are not restricted to 900 hours per year. So maybe those hours as FI do not count for the amount of hours done for the airline. I am pretty sure that is the case but cannot provide a link to the information since google search does not give a clear answer. But I do believe it must be the case because every instructor fill his hours into the log book and I can not believe that such a lot of instructors in the whole country do not know the regulations and that the Flight Schools also do not know about them. I will try to get some more info but its the only possibility I can see that makes any sense, or else some of the expensive flight schools would already "shout out loud" that instructors can not work for airlines while being instructors part time.

As for the profession its still about flying and doing your best for the company I believe. As for your news about Wizz Air I have never ever read about it in any article on the web so I do not know how you got the info that you can just buy yourself a slot as pilot without passing the assessment. From what I have read even the pay to fly companies actually require people to pass an assessment and have certain skill the only thing they pay for is not having to compete with others for the spot in the cockpit but they still have to have a certain skill and knowledge level. So I do not know where you got that info that you can just buy the FO seat at Wizz Air since they are not even having a pay to fly program. As for 1400 euro netto tax free in low cost nation compared with 3500 brutto I pick the low cost every day if a car cost 1/4 the price its still more car per hour than in the high cost nation. Same goes for food, housing etc. itd. Not to mention all the freedoms you get in everyday life like driving on autobahn and not risking jail and ending your career (a pilot who get jail sentence can probably forget to ever be security cleared, and there is only one place on earth where you can get in jail for speeding). But I do really not wish to write more about off topic stuff to not pollute the thread for people who wish to read only about Wizz Air. So I am trying to keep it relevant like salaries and possibility to be FI or not in addition to the job.
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 21:02
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This might be a rumour but I've heard from a recent cadet in Wizz that after you finish your bonded time they offer an amount (around 9k€) to sign back in the company. I imagine this is to keep the talent from leaving so quick when their time is up. I don't have this guys contact anymore to verify so true or not?
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Old 27th Apr 2019, 21:10
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Your last 2 lines say everything. As a RYR pilot(just glancing into the Wizz thread to see how things run in the east, bad, as usual) I can say that I joined RYR AFTER they changed that you had to pay for TR, even interview. Would not have gone for them, was staying with a scrappier operator for 6 years because I REFUSE to pay typeratings. Like they would make a judge pay for the courtroom, or his years in university. No(at least in good old western europe) university is more or less for free(some exceptions exist, agree, but that is a minority). Why would a pilot have to pay for his Typerating? Doing this job already over 25 years, bonding is fine(IF it is not more then 3 years of course), paying is a big NONO.

When I started in aviation it was normal that you would not pay for a TR IF you stick around till the bond expires. Some left earlier, normally they never made you pay(if you worked and left in a decent way, common sense, missing a lot nowadays, agree on that). Then some new generation started, maybe just TO overkeen to be a pilot, maybe lacking really on all required skills, but they still wanted to do it. SO? What they did? Knocking on company doors being already with a TR and still wet behind the ears....

And then it all started. Still remember that you had to pay 150(?) Pounds(Euros?) to even APPLY to Ryanair. Just always laughed when I have seen that. And had my not very nice thoughts about pilots applying there letting their pants down....

What I want to say? EVERY pilot need to think BEFORE even becoming a pilot WHY he/she would do that to him/herself and MORE IMPORTANTLY to their(most likely) more talented collegues which have been able to land jobs without paying for typeratings. Of course the market gets corrupted by "wannebes" and (crappy) airlines are quickly adopting to that new situation by generally saying - "hey, if you want a job you have to take what we offer - pay typerating, application, sometimes even the bloody simulator for the interview".

Now, Ryanair realized that in order to get enough AND good pilots they need to skip that crap. There is still enough that is bad(paying your own uniform, parking, no crewfood, drinks, and and and) BUT at least TR are provided with a bond.

Seems Wizz still manages to survive without that. Good for them(wonder who is desperate enough to go there, was once on one of their interviews in BUD, was not impressed and as they did not offer BUD base(lol) never bothered to waste another thought on them).


About Easy. Well, it IS an UK "culture" they maintaining, so reporting is of course an issue. Not much different with their irish friends in Ryanair. FDM IS the BIGGEST friend of the management. Money, respective "package" is not everything. Or, in this case, go China or AJX, then at least we are talking REAL money and package.

Sorry if to much off topic for being a Wizz thread. But I guess I made my point.


P.S.: FI. Well, IF someone flying close to 900 hours is still crazy enough to crawl into a small tin box and doing even more hours then something might be wrong with him(or he should GA, some guys there do not take duty times and block hour restrictions not OVERLY serious. Was there as well, know what I am writning about). But yes(of course), they do not want you to waste THEIR time(that they are paying you for, do not forget) as a private FI(payed if you are on FR contract which I would strongly suggest).
Ryanair is VERY serious about convincing low time FO into SFI positions(and they teach us how to fly, love that part ^^), so there is a big chance for FO to do that WITHIN the company. Outside, no.

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Old 27th Apr 2019, 21:37
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This might be a rumour but I've heard from a recent cadet in Wizz that after you finish your bonded time they offer an amount (around 9k€) to sign back in the company. I imagine this is to keep the talent from leaving so quick when their time is up. I don't have this guys contact anymore to verify so true or not?
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All I know about is that you get 50% of the bonded amount back after you stay the whole bond. So right now the bond is 20k, so you should get 10k back if you stay 48 months. Haven´t heard about this "sign back bonus" yet.
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