Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
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From: 60 north
RYR to hire 690 pilots next 12 months.
Dear fellow Aviators:
According to PB and AO,S in Ryanair , RYR shall hire 690 pilots the next 12 months. 90 of them typerated .
This was stated in an interview with Danish Check-in.dk today.
Good news for a lot of You that are in the holding-pool I hope.
According to PB and AO,S in Ryanair , RYR shall hire 690 pilots the next 12 months. 90 of them typerated .
This was stated in an interview with Danish Check-in.dk today.
Good news for a lot of You that are in the holding-pool I hope.
Joined: Feb 2013
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From: 60 north
Samka, You ask : only 90 typerated?:
I do not know, I do not work in RYR training department.
But if you are typerated AND have more than say 1500hrs on 737-800, this is your time.
It looks to me that RYR can now benefit from the aperent recrutmentcollaps at Norwegian. Lots of ex RYR pilots wants back to RYR.
They are quickley trained.
Any other 737 pilot needs a 6 sessions OCC cource, after a few weeks of INTENCE groundschool. Then linetraining to a high standard.
This takes less time then a full type rateing, but not by much, and the outcome has been some rather nonstandard linepilots. RYR hates this and will eat You alive if You diverge on SOP details.
If you go to Check-in.dk and translate the interview with RYR and post it here,some of Your questions will be answered.
PB claims he is training more pilots the next 12 months ( 690) then the rest of Europe combined. That is a bluff.
Due to stabelized fleet-size , max hrs and retirement in flagcarriers. And expansion generaly there is plenty of recrutment in EU.
Then You have the rest of the world....
Short and sweet,,: Some Loco will wetlease this spring and summer due lack of crew. We may also see canselations.
# You are cleared to exit RYR holdig, what is You intention ? #
Mail , Ring and knock on doors. Good luck.
I do not know, I do not work in RYR training department.
But if you are typerated AND have more than say 1500hrs on 737-800, this is your time.
It looks to me that RYR can now benefit from the aperent recrutmentcollaps at Norwegian. Lots of ex RYR pilots wants back to RYR.
They are quickley trained.
Any other 737 pilot needs a 6 sessions OCC cource, after a few weeks of INTENCE groundschool. Then linetraining to a high standard.
This takes less time then a full type rateing, but not by much, and the outcome has been some rather nonstandard linepilots. RYR hates this and will eat You alive if You diverge on SOP details.
If you go to Check-in.dk and translate the interview with RYR and post it here,some of Your questions will be answered.
PB claims he is training more pilots the next 12 months ( 690) then the rest of Europe combined. That is a bluff.
Due to stabelized fleet-size , max hrs and retirement in flagcarriers. And expansion generaly there is plenty of recrutment in EU.
Then You have the rest of the world....
Short and sweet,,: Some Loco will wetlease this spring and summer due lack of crew. We may also see canselations.
# You are cleared to exit RYR holdig, what is You intention ? #
Mail , Ring and knock on doors. Good luck.
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That depends on the attitude of the company. If you want a pilot; perhaps. If you want another trained monkey clone then perhaps not. They need to be deprogrammed and remoulded then re-programmed. Not so long ago experienced F/O's were not hired by some airlines as it was deemed to difficult, troublesome, tedious, risky and a loss of training profit. DEC's have exactly the same illnesses, but market forces dictate otherwise. Now the boot has changed foot, or joined its brother to make a pair on both feet.
Think of the argument about requiring >1500hrs in RHS of jets. Here were companies actively pursuing the opposite; i.e. rejecting experienced type rated pilots; thus demonstrating that the argument is not so simple.
Think of the argument about requiring >1500hrs in RHS of jets. Here were companies actively pursuing the opposite; i.e. rejecting experienced type rated pilots; thus demonstrating that the argument is not so simple.
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From: Asia
That depends on the attitude of the company. If you want a pilot; perhaps. If you want another trained monkey clone then perhaps not. They need to be deprogrammed and remoulded then re-programmed. Not so long ago experienced F/O's were not hired by some airlines as it was deemed to difficult, troublesome, tedious, risky and a loss of training profit.
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Rat 5: Talking about DEC's having to be de-programmed and then re-programmed, I think that it has become a skill in itself changing company as a contract Captain. I've noticed highly experienced KLM, BA, Ryanair Captains etc coming to new companies as DEC's and really failing to understand how to make the change. Other guys who may have changed Airlines a number of times seem to adapt quickly. That's my view looking at the guys we get here in China.
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KP. You missed my point, slightly. Deprogramming then reprogramming is not easy; in some airlines eyes. I've done it myself as captain, many times; no problem just hard work. That's called maturity, realism, singing the song of the piper who pays you. Some airlines think F/O's are not so capable; perhaps from experience. When there is a glut of F/O's they choose the raw recruits: when there is a shortage of captains they have no choice.
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From: Uk
Dec fo's
FR used to take direct entry FO as I and many friends joined at that point. Dec used to get pref for base up to 3 years ago so supply and demand will dictate. Some of you guys on here are crazy speaking out of turn with no facts. Keep it factual and this becomes a source of info rather than fiction.
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From: Ireland
Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
True! You've probably guessed I'm looking to return! I'm currently working for a friendly low fares airline. It like FR has it's issues and well through my career I believe where you gain something in one airline you lose in another. In the LCC realm anyway. I've got a sweet contract and it's a nice company to work for however the roster is rubbish and the commute is expensive. So where I gain in salary I lose in the commute! So if you're in FR and you have the base of your choice. Well it could be worse. Hence I'm gunning to return. I've left and well I'm sad I did. If they take me back is another story! Unlikely maybe. I believe what ever airline you join, get on with it. Give it your all. Get involved and don't sit on the sidelines giving out. Expand your career into management or training etc. If it's still not making you happy, move on and find another airline. As the stress will only kill you!! Maybe my view is naive, but I rule by SSR (Safe Standard Relaxed). Don't stress! So best of luck and if anyone hears of assessment/start dates place post or PM me.
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From: Ireland
Ryaniair FO Hold Pool
Well if they're DEC on a RYR contract maybe (unlikely though!) but not FO's. I wouldn't be applying to FR and being dependant on them to pick up the tab. 2 pilots in 8 years. Well how many joined in that period? I'd imagine the odds are well against you.
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From: UK
Really guys, anyone asking who will pay for type ratings must be an idealistic schoolboy, not a qualified pilot. The point has already been made repeatedly and you just won't listen. Anyone asking again about who stumps up the costs really shouldn't be flying anyway if their judgement or ability to understand simple facts is so poor.
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From: Manchester
I presume though that if you're rated you'll be bonded by a training agreement if going on a Ryanair contract. Also being asked for pay for the OCC if joining asa contractor? Would this be fair to presume?!
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Promotions are paid for by RYR (in theory), but with a £5k bond. Of course, the new captain is then sent to a southern or eastern base on a contract of half the salary of a UK captain and on another 10% reduction, so that promotion course is paid very heavily by the promotee over the next few years in a loss of earnings. So, ask yourself if you think RYR will be fair in how the OCC is funded and any bond applied. I appreciate that some have had a drop in conditions moving to other LCCs, but you will be getting another drop if you return and paying for it in real terms one way or another for years. Stay where you are until you can move on to a grown-up's airline! The only winning plan is to get away from the whole LCC crowd.
