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Jet2 Autumn 2014

Old 7th Jan 2018, 00:18
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I thought that that would be the answer.
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Old 14th Jan 2018, 18:36
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Originally Posted by Council Van View Post
I would expect a lot less recruitment at Jet2 next winter as the last of the new 737's will be arriving this spring.

Next winter will just be replacing those who decide to move on and to crew any extra 2nd hand aircraft that are purchased.

This winter I understand around 140 have been/will be taken on with some sim assessments still to take place.
Donít think the last of the orders arrive till Jan 2019 me old China!

Unless you know better than wiki, if so I stand corrected.
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Old 19th Jan 2018, 23:43
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PPJN says Captain Basic starting salary is £100524 but also gives same figure as top scale.
So no salary scale increase to Captain Basic over time. Thatís it?
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Old 20th Jan 2018, 14:29
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Yep, that’s it, increments went out several years ago.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 01:14
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Thats worrying, and the Jet2 pilots just let that happen?
No pilot union to protect pay and conditions there I take it?

Worryingly it sets a precedence for better airlines management to try and erode Pay and Conditions in order to compete.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 11:56
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There is loose BALPA recognition but my experience of BALPA along with everyone else I talk to about them is they’re useless.

Home UK base £101k plus a few grand more sector pay. Profit share. Private healthcare. Everything paid for like Medical uniform hotels etc. Taxis and hire cars sorted. Unlike Ryanair (my previous) very open base transfer system that works. The odd charter in the winter with stop overs if your lucky. And 450-550 hours a year! Unlike 899:59 in my previous (Ryanair) oh and £10k in the pension pot.

Errrm what’s not to like?

Oh yea and it’s a lot cheaper to live up north than LGW or LHR so factoring that in is massive. Maybe avoid STN.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 12:15
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I echo zerotohero's comments. Lifestyle is a big factor at Jet2 and personally that's worth more than a few grand to me, I don't think that there's many other companies that can compete on these terms.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 13:01
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Zerotohero, you go on about all those benefits as if theyíre big pluses for Jet2, but then I suppose if the only airline youíve got to compare with them is Ryanair then youíre inevitably going to see Jet2 as a shining light for how all airlines should treat their employees. The fact is that all decent airlines should offer these things, and a lot more besides. Productivity must have gone down since I worked for them as I consistently did 750 hours on the 737 at a big base.

Iím glad some terms and conditions have improved at Jet2 as itís important that airlines such as them improve conditions, rather than legacy airlines being dragged down to their level, but I have never understood this parochial view of Jet2 as the only airline that provides the lifestyle that everyone craves. If you look at the provincial bases for EasyJet, Thomas Cook and TUI, they all offer better packages with similar hours.

Regarding BALPA, itís only as good as the pilot reps you have. My understanding of the ones Jet2 had a few years ago was that they approached PM in quite a confrontational manner so never really gained any traction in developing a win-win relationship with the airline management.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 14:09
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I dont think any hostility came from the reps! IIRC it came directly, and very forcibly, from PM.
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Old 21st Jan 2018, 14:38
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Don’t forget the extra leave every few years for length of service.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:17
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I think topping out on a basic of 101k at Jet2 is rather low compared to the other big UK operators.

At our airline (uk charter) another 30k on top of that would get you to the Capt top scale basic, plus a further 20/25k ish in allowances and sector pay.

Jet2 Pilots shouldnít undersell themselves as weíve seen with the likes of RYR it has an affect on the overall lowering of T&Cís for the rest of us.

The pension, private healthcare, local base, paid medicals taxis and hotels etc etc..is a given at most other UK airlines and not a perk.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 11:29
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Originally Posted by H44 View Post
Zerotohero, If you look at the provincial bases for EasyJet, Thomas Cook and TUI, they all offer better packages
A bit of a misunderstanding here - Zerotohero is clearly talking about the Captain package for DECs... none of EZY, TCX or TUI offer DEC at regional bases (no DEC in TUI/TCX at all) and the hours for EZY are up at the top end. Sure, you could join at LGW or a foreign base and join a long list to get home, but now youíre sacrificing Home base and lifestyle for a few years. EZY is a great package for those whoíve been there a while and worked their way up from FO.

As a FO with no basing preference the package is, as you say, better. I just think thatís not the point that Zero was discussing.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 14:57
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I fully understand that he’s talking about DEC packages, and clearly the ability to go straight in as a captain is one of the big advantages in choosing Jet2 over those other airlines. However, unless your desire to be a captain ASAP overrides all other considerations, the fact is that I’m on similar money to a Jet2 captain (much lower basic, but much higher sector/duty pay) in one of the other companies mentioned. Sure, time to command is a good few years, but over the course of the next 30 odd years, my earning potential is way higher where I am. Don’t get me wrong, being a captain is great, I was one for a few years, but for me, lifestyle and variety of flying were more powerful motivators than being a captain. Each to their own of course.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 15:18
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Some of you still don’t get it. I don’t want to join Jet2 just for the money. I want a company that suits me and pays enough to be comfortable. The current vacancies availability, versus the basing, aircraft and rostering of other companies, just doesn’t suit ME. If you are happy..... great, well done! But please stop telling me that I’m mad for choosing a company that doesn’t suit YOU.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 15:43
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I’m on similar money to a Jet2 captain (much lower basic, but much higher sector/duty pay)
- You are only on similar money then as you have to work much harder.

lifestyle and variety of flying were more powerful motivators
- that lifestyle of having to go to work more?? Variety of flying - Jet2 have 50odd routes dependent on your base, so unless you are talking about long haul and the detrimental effects that has on your lifestyle, I can't see variety as an issue.
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 19:38
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post
long haul and the detrimental effects that has on your lifestyle
Have you ever flown long haul as part of the operating crew on a proper long haul aircraft with crew rest areas and everything or are the detrimental effects you are talking about all hear say?

Having worked for Jet2 in the past and now flying LH I fully agree with what H44 wrote before. The Jet2 operation did get boring and I find much more variety flying for my current outfit.

How much comparison material do you have Johnny?
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Old 22nd Jan 2018, 21:59
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I'd argue that Long-haul can offer a better lifestyle as you only go to work 3 to 4 times a month, do a a quick 24 hour stopover then have the rest of the week at home. Certainly the case having seen my two long-haul mates rosters.
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 04:50
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Originally Posted by Johnny [email protected] Pants View Post
- You are only on similar money then as you have to work much harder.

- that lifestyle of having to go to work more?? Variety of flying - Jet2 have 50odd routes dependent on your base, so unless you are talking about long haul and the detrimental effects that has on your lifestyle, I can't see variety as an issue.
Still drinking that Kool Aid Johnny? Plenty of people have left Jet2 to fly long haul, very few complain about detrimental effects, and believe me, many were bored of flying to ALC and AGP at Jet2...

Not a criticism at all, and each to their own, live and let live etc. But please stop peddling that it is the best around, and everyone else has to work harder/longer/detrimentally...
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 08:03
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To bad PPRuNe doesn’t offer a like button. If it did “I’m off!” his/her post deserves a massive like!

An absolutely spot on post!
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Old 23rd Jan 2018, 09:06
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It is correct to say that everyone is different and fair enough that personal preference is key. I have flown long haul for 16 years and eventually thought that it was mega tedious and the time zone changes left me in a zombie like state while I attempted to recover until the next trip. I don't drink kool aid or any other North American soft drink but I have personally found Jet2 to be a breath of fresh air. Generally, 'reasonableness' prevails and issues such as basings are not contentious in that the company takes the mature view that people are more content to live near their homes. Quelle surprise. It is rather like working for an airline 20 years ago whereby it is possible to have a flexible and sensible approach to operational and personal issues. It's a thumbs up from me.
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