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Old 11th Jan 2016, 17:00
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Old 11th Jan 2016, 21:06
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Originally Posted by nitefiter
The lunatics are in charge at this asylum.
Because hours and recency alone didn't guarantee a job?

Methinks the selection process is working just fine.
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 08:11
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Not suitable…..er.. no!!!…... I've passed everything…. it was because i couldn't be arsed with doing those stupid tests on time!! i was busy that day planning landing a heavy 800 on a 1700 mtr contaminated runway!!
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 08:28
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Originally Posted by nitefiter
those stupid tests
Correct me if I'm wrong but I believe those "stupid tests" are near the beginning of the process so it seems unlikely that you had passed everything.

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I couldn't be arsed
Yes, quite. We may be getting nearer the reason for your PFO email.

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i was busy that day planning landing a heavy 800 on a 1700 mtr contaminated runway!!
You hero.
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Old 12th Jan 2016, 08:29
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The tests are painful

And I'm not sure what they prove especially if you are a current pilot, clearly you have what it takes brain wise. You could argue that about the sim check too. Group exercises ? Yes please ! Getting a job in this industry is a joke sometimes and the tests don't always appear to select the correct people sometimes.

" you hero " .... Really ? Why would you speak to someone like that ?

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Old 12th Jan 2016, 18:03
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To suggest that because you are a current pilot means you have what it takes "brain wise" is somewhat of a stretch I'd suggest.

I'm sure we can all think of people we've flown with who were perhaps lacking in some way and not people we'd employ if it were down to us, despite the current license in their flight bag. They might be a bit thick, not terribly coordinated or maybe just a total w*****. Either way, hours and recency prove little.

Quite what tests are suitable for the weeding out process is of course up for debate and I'm sure will be for evermore.

However, if a prospective employer has decided that a particular set of tests suits their needs then the act of a potential employee preparing for and passing them tells them more about the candidate than simply the results printout. Whether you think the tests are "a joke" or you "can't be arsed" is actually relevant. There will always be times in life (and on a roster) where we feel the same and people will deal with it in different ways.

The ability to just get on with things and leave all toys where they should be (in your pram) is assessable!
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It's their train set, so you do what tests they want if you want the job, simples.

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Quite right, however.

It is amusing how often those tests change. BA used to do psychometric a long time ago, lots of people got rejected and they stopped. Emirates never used to, then it became almost a whole day.

With experience I have learned that selection procedures don't always work very well, HR building their part sometimes.

Yes we have to do them, but we are allowed to moan about them too.
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Old 15th Jan 2016, 10:12
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Originally Posted by 111boy
It is amusing how often those tests change. BA used to do psychometric a long time ago, lots of people got rejected and they stopped. Emirates never used to, then it became almost a whole day.

With experience I have learned that selection procedures don't always work very well, HR building their part sometimes.

Yes we have to do them, but we are allowed to moan about them too.
Sorry, thread creep here however BA still do psychometric analysis. It's stage one of their process. It may have been refined slightly over the years however it's still very much present. Nowadays, I believe, it's largely continued into stage 2 with competency based interviewing and further behavioural analysis. The process at Emirates is a ridiculous mismatch of all sorts and is more of an endurance test as the main elements are shoe horned into one day.

In Jet2s defence, once the online tests are accomplished, the remainder of the process is very standard. Relaxed interview, group exercise and sim.

I've had experience and success with all three of these. Drowned in the pool with BA, couldn't fatham how I could make EK work with my young family and still very much in the left seat with Jet2 - and happy about that as well!

Good luck to those applying
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Old 15th Jan 2016, 12:17
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Have to agree with callsign kilo. The whole process was as relaxed as it could be given it is all packed into half a day or so. Personally I finished the sim with the beginnings of a pounding headache but then I am nearly 80 and not as resilient as I once was.

As for the online stuff, well there has to be some sort of sieve to filter those who take the trouble to do them and those who "can't be arsed". If you find it all to much trouble to jump through a few hoops before you even join then your attitude to the job is possibly not going to improve over time.

Just my two bobs worth.

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Old 15th Jan 2016, 14:24
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+1 to the last 4 posts.
Grit your teeth and hope for the best.
Good luck, it is worth it.
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Jet2: Controversy over airline's £65k lure in bid to poach the RAF?s pilots | UK | News | Daily Express
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Old 17th Jan 2016, 16:02
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Hmmm, would this be the same RAF that just a few short years ago made redundant so many of it's trainee pilots, many just days from completing a very expensive training program?
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 03:39
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Obviously not a straightforward a move as the article implies, and almost certainly not into the "£65k" left seat.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 07:38
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RAFAT - I'm afraid your information is a little out of date. The LHS salary from Apr will be just short of £100K (including sector and duty pay, but slightly variable depending on fleet/base). They will take you straight to the LHS if you have 1000 hrs Multi Eng Command. If from a Fast Jet background, you will only get RHS, due to having a frozen ATPL. The £65K figure quoted I believe is more like an SFO salary, with FO about £5K less.

The only STORY here is that the RAF News took Jet2's cash to place the advert!
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 11:55
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RAF Flt Lt in the bracket to leave is circa £46K basic plus £16k flying pay. On top of that is the pension (which although it has been massively spannered about with) which is waaay better than the 6% at Jet2 and is non contributory!!
SFO at Jet2 may well be in the £60-65K bracket, but after pension contributions will be on less.

- What the Jet2 guy will not have to do is spend 6 months/year in sandy places for 4/6/8/12 weeks at a time. Nor will he be buggered about as much. It is definitely an improved quality of life, but I would caution anyone who is leaving for the money alone to evaluate exactly why they are leaving.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 12:43
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SCIN,

That second paragraph is exactly why I'm thinking of leaving the RAF. As well as the fact that a jet2 captain will earn more than I'd ever get paid in the RAF.

Anyone got any details as to the roster? Also, how far from your base do you have to live? I live in Lincolnshire.

Many thanks!
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 14:29
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Prof Plum. I don't know how close you have to live. I also live in Lincs and for two years flew out of Birmingham for JMC (now Thomas Cook) which was a 90 minute drive. I thought I'd be ok with this but in the Summer when doing consecutive night duties I found it massively fatiguing. With hindsight I should have found a B&B or shared flat or some other accommodation to have dealt with this. If I were to go back to charter ops (which I'm not going to!) I would not want a regular commute of much more than 30 mins or so.

I know that people manage all sorts of commutes perfectly well, but that's my experience - hope it helps.

Best of luck
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 15:25
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You are expected to be within 90 minutes of your base. This can be either your home or a temporary measure for work eg hotel/B&B.
Hth.
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Old 18th Jan 2016, 15:25
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A SFO will be around £62K with duty and sector without pension contributions so £65k for an RAF bod will be a kick in the teeth for current SFO's.
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