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Old 25th Nov 2015, 22:08
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The question about how will Egypt impact is a good one. The most scary prospect of changing airlines is that 3 months when you have to give notice to actually being taken on by the new employer, in that window a lot can happen and with the Egypt situation as it is it doesn't look great and I could imagine last minute recruitment numbers being adjusted to cater for it. It's certainly an extra risk to take in to account if considering handing in notice somewhere. I can also imagine it being used as an excuse rolled out to suggest no more promotions for a while.....
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Old 26th Nov 2015, 10:59
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Would Thomson do less flying next summer as a result of Egypt or just increase the holidays/flights on offer to other places? I'm hoping the latter as I'm in that awkward position of working my notice before joining Thomson at the start of next year. Has anything been said to the troops internally about this?
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Old 27th Nov 2015, 10:35
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We usually just expand into other areas, the canaries most likely will have an increase in business. Traffic to Egypt has been in decline for a few years anyway.
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Old 10th Dec 2015, 22:46
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What's the rate of attrition like for the last few years with this PPY and the current surge of UK recruitment?
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Old 12th Dec 2015, 13:42
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What's the rate of attrition like for the last few years with this PPY and the current surge of UK recruitment?
I can't quote exact numbers, but several of the guys joining over the last few years on PPY have already moved on to other airlines offering full-time contracts.
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Old 1st Jan 2016, 15:56
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Purely out of interest. How is recruitment looking for TOM? Did they make up their numbers?
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Old 2nd Jan 2016, 18:16
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It actually went incredibly quiet so normal people like me can't answer it really. The company has had quite a few additional hurdles to deal with like a fairly good uptake in the severance scheme and some operational issues. Nothing major but I suspect with Xmas, recruitment has been pushed down the list a little till things get clearer this month.

If you are still awaiting news, then good luck.

I do know however our new cadets are well into their type ratings so good luck to them.

DC
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 02:10
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I agree with the Thompson recruitment team. The optimum use of recruitment resources is better engaged by disregarding people for silly and irrelevant mistakes regardless of their ability.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 03:28
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Mistakes, or attention to detail??

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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 10:51
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Please excuse my ignorance but what is debabting?
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 15:23
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Its the link between men who have timy members and a spelling fetish.
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 16:15
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Timy???

Must be me then!
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 18:34
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So the debate continues amongst those with nothing better to do.... meanwhile, those who could be bothered spelling the name of their prospective company correctly are busy enjoying their lives and their careers...safe in the knowledge that there will always be people trolling message boards and cocking up applications forms...
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 21:29
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Thomson, Thompson, Thomas Cook. As if the pax know the difference
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Old 3rd Jan 2016, 22:14
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From the Head of Training at a recent meeting, the recruitment went well with a mixture of type rated and non type rated recruits as well as the internal cadets. Type Rating courses are underway now, and the 737 training programme is a very busy one with new pilots, type changes and Command courses. As to the question of the type of contract being offered to new recruits, the message was that the Company are well aware of the fact that the market is opening up now, and to "watch this space." I wouldn't be at all surprised if joining terms and conditions at Thomson changed to reflect the increasing choice available to pilots seeking pastures new.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 13:59
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Superpilot.

" as if the pax know the difference"

Absolutely spot on.
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Old 4th Jan 2016, 15:45
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This thread has precisely nothing to do with passengers and their perceived difficulty in telling Thomson and Thomas Cook apart - it's about recruitment for Thomson and the importance of putting a bit of care into the application so you don't make it easy for the recruiters to put you in the PFO pile.

Matey - that's good news that the management have acknowledged that the offer might have to improve in future years to attract good candidates. While not immediately affecting people like myself who are joining this year with the disappointing 7k OCC cost etc, it will hopefully be a positive in terms of reducing the time spent on PPY, as well as generally driving up t's and c's - I hope!

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Old 8th Jan 2016, 18:01
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This thread is fascinating! We've got a bunch of half wits joining in with the sole intention of knocking Thomson. Sure, there's plenty wrong with the company but imho there's plenty more that's right.

We have a modern fleet that is about to grow and become even more modern. We have a reasonable set of Ts and Cs and a Scheduling Agreement that sits well inside the EASA limits. We have representation that can still influence management.

We have just had the annual bid and of the 49 new Commands around 20 are the direct result of BALPA engaging with the company as are additional airframes which in part accounts for the 60 new recruits, all of whom didn't take the p, figuratively and literally. We have just received a bonus of an average 2,000 and an additional 500 in Thomson Travel vouchers. A SAYE share scheme is operating and IIRC gives one free share for every 4 bought. Shares are currently trading at c12. As a year 19 Captain I take home 6K+ a month after all the various deductions and work hard but not excessively. Caution, I'm one of the luckier ones, I'm on a great fleet and still have a FS pension. I'm acutely aware that others aren't so fortunate. That is why I became a rep and that is why I hope to very soon be able to give good news for those joining. Don't ask. I also look forward to providing details of our latest pay deal which should shut a few who know nothing of this airline up. Oh, and the back problem my wife has is being expertly treated under the free private healthcare.

There is a history of managements bearing down on Ts and Cs in lean times. This applies to all airlines ad the deniers are deluding themselves. There is a history of changing back in TOM during better times and I'm pretty certain that will happen if we are unable to attract the "top talent" alluded to above. This year was close for getting the numbers but the discussed solution was to expand the numbers of Non Type Rated applicants where there was a surplus of suitable applicants. Rather than accepting a lower standard the solution was to increase cost. Granted, some of that cost will be borne by the successful applicants, all of whom appear able to see beyond the end of their nose.

Returning to the bid, a reasonable number of those who've joined in the last few years are now about to join the 787 fleet. The PPY bit was only ever "up to 5 years" and history meant that in the past thus meant 1 year. Unfortunately some took this to mean a precedent was set and were dismayed to find that they were looking at longer. If I were a betting man, that should change.

So, the detractors out there who've turned this thread into the typical PPRuNe shit slinging contest, over to you, how's your Ts and Cs and your future? This bit of the forum is all about that. Just a hint like.
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Old 8th Jan 2016, 19:55
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yeoman, have all of the 60 positions been filled?
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Old 8th Jan 2016, 21:01
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Well said Yeoman. Happy New Year matey!
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