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Old 10th Oct 2014, 09:38
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Rosters

I would also love to see a few more typical rosters for junior pilots on 747/777/767. Anyone willing to post here, or PM would be a great help.
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 12:09
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Recent month, juniorish Tripline holder, 777 P2 roster was something like this:

1-3 Off
4-6 Middle East
7-9 Off
10-12 Africa
13-17 Off
18-20 USA
21-23 Off
24-26 Gulf
27-28 Off
29-1 USA

So 5 reports at LHR in the month, which is fairly typical. I haven't looked to see whether he/she was above or below the CAP target.

Adjacent pilots' rosters are similar, there's the Caribbean stuff out of LGW to chuck into the mix and one junior pilot had picked a long Australia trip ( 9 day SIN/SYD/SIN) which accounts for about half a months work and would be equivalent to 3'ish shorter trips. A lot of very junior pilot's are on Blindlines so their lines will possibly have fewer trips on them at publication but the offset is that they will have blocks of Assignable days which can be filled by the company with a night's notice.

Hope that helps.

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Old 10th Oct 2014, 15:10
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Blimey - good memory!

I did 6 months in the UK on a fixed roster before ejecting to the 'other part'. That was the dying days of the original CTC Wings course and despite not technically being an EZY UK employee the rostering agreements were identical at the time - 5/3/5/4.

A lot has changed of course in both companies since then and I completely understand the point of view of people who decide that EZY(S) is better for them.
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 17:11
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How often do BA upload new assessment dates? I received an invitation this afternoon and by the time I logged on there were no slots available.

Thanks
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 17:28
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When I went through it a few years back they called me to confirm at date. I recall this was for stage 2 (sim). There were only two stages back then. Best of luck.
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Old 10th Oct 2014, 20:20
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I have heard of the SH pay cap at LHR too. A little more information on it is that it will be applied just like the change to pay point 34 was. So congratulations your pay point (for arguments sake) 19 you continue as before. Sorry your pay point 18 and will not progress any higher until you transfer to LH.

Until it comes out in a official document go along the lines of more for the same or less and you won't be far wrong. I just hope that they tackle the big issues once and for all rather than this continual appeasement of inefficient departments
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Old 11th Oct 2014, 08:17
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It's like with pay point 34. You joined on the 19th April = 24 point pay scale. You joined on the 20th = 34 point pay scale.

I don't think fairness has much to do with it but more of you can't miss what you don't have.

Life could certainly be a lot more unfair. Recent event worldwide focuses how fortunate we are.
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Old 11th Oct 2014, 12:35
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were that to come in to place the upshot would be a LH FO would earn more than a SH capt past a certain PP.
Which, FWIW, is precisely where we were a decade or two ago, in the days of Long Haul "Box" payments. Until the individuals involved were close to retirement age there was very little financial incentive for the very senior LH F/O's to consider moving to short haul for a command.

bex

I just hope that they tackle the big issues once and for all rather than this continual appeasement of inefficient departments
I would hope so as well but given previous form/ experience/current rumours I rather suspect "they" won't.

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Old 11th Oct 2014, 20:13
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I hope not. Unless the difficult issues are taken by the scruff we will not achieve our dictated goals. I will hold my breath but I fear more frustration
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 10:13
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So potentially some are trading more money in EZY
As I pointed out in this very same thread, I think that is highly debatable. In any event, you'd need a crystal ball. As far as work is concerned, what you get in Easy on day one, is what you'll likely be doing on the day you retire 40(?) years later, having driven to/from your home base 8000 times! In BA there is every likelihood of 'seeing the World' at the company's expense. A few days in the Maldives/Buenos Aires/Capetown etc.

As you say: "horses for courses."

wiggy and bex.

I have started to hear whispers that SH pilots may feel a little disappointed in a few weeks time when the SHBR hits the streets!
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 11:29
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SHBR ?
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 12:23
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SHBR = "Short Haul Business Review...."

The company is looking at more ways of making short haul profitable. (or more profitable, depending on your view of the way the company's accounts are run). The fact there was going to be such a review was much trumpeted many months back, but recently management seem to have gone strangely quiet on the subject.

It's sometimes also referred to as "BOHICA"
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 13:12
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4468 what happens when there's a LHBR? Though you currently feel safe in your LH life boat it'll soon catch up with you
Oh, if it gets stressful, I guess I'll just retire? (Young!)



WBF, you seem to have a real axe to grind over BA. Why is that???

As you say, "horses for courses." You obviously enjoy your daily drive to and from work, others prefer to spend a few hours in a nice restaurant next to the Parthenon/Stellenbosch/Hollywood Hills/Caribbean/Danube/Central Park/Eiffel Tower/Sydney Harbour/Pyramids - all of which (and much much more) I have done whilst at work!
People who've joined in the last few years are staring down the barrel of 12 years A320 FO, A320 command then another 8 years on A320 before getting LH - where they'll need to go back to the RHS.
No they are not. That's garbage. Though like many things in BA, it's certainly available as a choice! Also, what on earth makes you think anyone would have to spend 8 years as an A320 captain and then "they'll need to go back to the RHS." (of LH)??

Don't you understand our system?

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Old 12th Oct 2014, 14:55
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That's nice for you 4468. Long haul certainly is a selfish lifestyle choice.

Whilst you're downroute alone again, deciding whether to go for a drink with a bunch of strangers, your kids are coming to hate you and your wife's off with the milkman.

Or do you actually believe they are happy with your lifestyle choice? Honestly.

Long haul is a short term, single mans game. Though I understand the attraction.

You seem to gloat about it. For me, the worst thing that can happen is you enjoy being away from home, and even worse your family start to enjoy you being away from home too.

The industry is littered with broken or unhappy marriages - There's a reason for that.

Each to their own.
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 15:09
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Xulu

What on earth makes you think my (still FIRST!) wife and kids don't accompany me on these trips??

You don't seem to understand BA at all.

Of course in BA, one has the choice to move (frequently) backwards and forwards between SH and LH, and I have. So it's never been a problem for me.

Unlike the sandpit/Virgin etc. That where your future lies?

As you so rightly say: Each to their own, eh?

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Old 12th Oct 2014, 15:44
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Long haul certainly is a selfish lifestyle choice.

Whilst you're downroute alone again, deciding whether to go for a drink with a bunch of strangers, your kids are coming to hate you and your wife's off with the milkman.
Ouch...Ah well after over 25 years of Long Haul I'll balance that by saying that's not been my experience (except the socialising with a bunch of strangers, but never found that a major problem since after a few minutes they are not strangers anymore, are they?). We don't get milk delivered so that's possibly why I'm still with wife #1 (30 years plus) and in addition the kids are still talking to me.

Now if you insist on being home every night and drinking with the same bunch of guys in the same bar year in, year out I'd agree you'd best avoid long haul, personally that would bore me rigid.

Ultimately as 4468 said it's "each to their own".
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 16:07
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I like long haul itself but would prefer not to be away weeks at a time so it does make me smile when people say they can't survive 3-4 nights away. It's not exactly the navy. I think people use the time away as an excuse to distance themselves if things aren't right. If you can't be away for 3-4 nights and then have some time off without splitting up with your partner then there's other things wrong.
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 16:58
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Absence definitely makes the heart grow fonder.
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 17:51
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On short haul you also spend 1/2/3 nights away from home at a time. Will you like BA, LH or SH? I don't know but it's a good job. If your happy where you are then stay there.

What will happen is change in BA and easy. Make your choice and go with it.

4468, SH pilots will be disappointed? Does that mean we won't be able to join our colleagues "at the table" for a minimum of 30 mins?
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Old 12th Oct 2014, 17:51
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Absence definitely makes the heart grow fonder.
Not necessarily true. I know several who felt great sadness upon leaving loved ones when they returned home to wives and families.
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