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Does anyone know what the logbook requirements for stage one are? I kept a paper logbook until November last year and have now moved to a digital one (MCC). I was planning to bring in the paper one and just print out the MCC one. Does anyone know if that is acceptable? It would be silly to get it professionally bound when there is only going to be 10 pages in it.
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BA Rosters by fleet?
Hi, would anyone be so kind as to post (PM also welcome!) typical roster patterns for their fleet? I know it can be highly variable (and changing witn EASA FTL), but I am just trying to get a feel for how many nights downroute, how many turnaround flights, and how many trips to the airport can be expected, and how this varies across each of the fleets.
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I'm in a rush this AM but if you get no other replies I'll try PM something Longhaul'ish later today....however TBH at the moment even us insiders have no idea how scheduling is going to work and roster shapes in the not too distant future. It all depends on the misleading entitled pay ballot, the result of which will amongst other things will determine which rostering system we will end up using (and also of course whether a large chunk of pay goes back to being a variable...just thought I'd mention that..again ).
Regardless of whether we end up on the aforementioned JSS or "son of Bidline" I suspect for Long Haul you'll be looking at EASA compliant minimum required turnaround at base, which, depending on who you believe, may or may not include "back to backs" at base.....
Hi, would anyone be so kind as to post (PM also welcome!) typical roster patterns for their fleet? I know it can be highly variable (and changing witn EASA FTL)
Regardless of whether we end up on the aforementioned JSS or "son of Bidline" I suspect for Long Haul you'll be looking at EASA compliant minimum required turnaround at base, which, depending on who you believe, may or may not include "back to backs" at base.....
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Also worth mentioning that EASA FTLs have massively reduced the likelihood of swapping trips now. So achieved rosters are much more like published rosters which is a huge change.
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Also worth mentioning that EASA FTLs have massively reduced the likelihood of swapping trips now. So achieved rosters are much more like published rosters which is a huge change.
Dupre, others...
Ah well, I was hoping for an IT wizz to do a cut and paste but failing that here's my effort: a couple of example 777 (P1) EASA compliant lines for March, as published. They are both pretty "full on" as they are just above CAP. FYI Not sure how "junior" they went in the Stage 1 bid process but BKK'/HKGs tend to be somewhat popular, and the long SYDs can also attract some more senior bidders. They should at least give a flavour of the roster pattern. Please forgive formatting.
Decode:
XXX = destination at end of FDP
- = GMT day off at base.
* = GMT day down route/en-route, so may contain a duty or part thereof...
Line 1
--EWRLHR*----BOM*LHR--JFKLHR*---BLR**LHR--HKG**LHR*
Line 2
-BAHBAHLHR*---SIN**SYD*SIN*LHR*-----BKK**LHR---DXB*LHR
notes for line 2
First trip is: LHR-BAH day one, BAH-DOH-BAH shuttle day two, BAH-LHR day 3/4
The final DXB*LHR is a "carry out", arriving LHR 1 Apr.
There are a handful of lines with 6 trips on them...(the low credit/flying hours, 3 day trips), but I thought publishing one of those would be bad for moral, unless you really like EWR, LOS, RUH etc......just think 3 day trip (e.g day flight out, nightstop, overnight flight home), 2 days off, 3 day trip, etc, you'll get the idea......
Ah well, I was hoping for an IT wizz to do a cut and paste but failing that here's my effort: a couple of example 777 (P1) EASA compliant lines for March, as published. They are both pretty "full on" as they are just above CAP. FYI Not sure how "junior" they went in the Stage 1 bid process but BKK'/HKGs tend to be somewhat popular, and the long SYDs can also attract some more senior bidders. They should at least give a flavour of the roster pattern. Please forgive formatting.
Decode:
XXX = destination at end of FDP
- = GMT day off at base.
* = GMT day down route/en-route, so may contain a duty or part thereof...
Line 1
--EWRLHR*----BOM*LHR--JFKLHR*---BLR**LHR--HKG**LHR*
Line 2
-BAHBAHLHR*---SIN**SYD*SIN*LHR*-----BKK**LHR---DXB*LHR
notes for line 2
First trip is: LHR-BAH day one, BAH-DOH-BAH shuttle day two, BAH-LHR day 3/4
The final DXB*LHR is a "carry out", arriving LHR 1 Apr.
There are a handful of lines with 6 trips on them...(the low credit/flying hours, 3 day trips), but I thought publishing one of those would be bad for moral, unless you really like EWR, LOS, RUH etc......just think 3 day trip (e.g day flight out, nightstop, overnight flight home), 2 days off, 3 day trip, etc, you'll get the idea......
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Wow thanks for that, really much appreciated! It took me a couple of minutes to understand it, but got there in the end ☺
Anyone else with any different fleets?
Anyone else with any different fleets?
Less days off than I would have imagined. Are 15 or more days off possible or simply non-existant?
History lesson: Once upon a time, a time that ended a couple of years back, you could build up a "bank" of hours by working over the CAP for several months and then trade in those hours by bidding for a below CAP line ( the lower limit used to be CAP minus 15 hours)... so if you worked at it you could occasionally bid to get a "light" line with perhaps 15 days off in a month, and sit back safe in the knowledge the roster was safe ('ish). Nowadays the company are still happy for you to build a bank ( no..sh...sherlock), but if you try to discharge it and as a result get a big juicy gap on your line the company will probably find a trip to drop into it (it's called Final Assign/Roster Assign). EASA rules have made that a tad more difficult but BA have ways of making it work,
FWIW this is the exactly the sort of reason to beware of some of the ex-BA guys who go around saying how great
Bidline is:
" Wonderful system dear chap..bid high in winter my boy, bid low in summer...lots of fixed days off... now must go, need a new sail for the yacht ...."
It's not bad, but it has changed radically - and who knows what's around the corner????
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Good info, thanks. It's not too difficult to achieve 12-13 DO at my current establishment, in days past 14-16 was possible. And in the distant mists of time big strings of days off were possible according to the old sages that speak fondly of the "good old days".
What would the more junior, 6 trip, lines look like wrt days off? 10 or less?
What would the more junior, 6 trip, lines look like wrt days off? 10 or less?
OK, mea culpa, not many 6 trippers I suspect due to EASA and the fact I'm looking at Feb..however just so I can say they do exist ( I've not checked how they survived the full process- i.e. did someone end up with these as advertised or were people able to clash trips out due to sims/leave, etc):
Line 1.
DME------EWRLHR*--YYZLHR*--JFKLHR*--SAN**LHR--PEK* ( carry out)
^
yep, you're not mistaken, that's a Moscow, it's an out and back day trip.
Much more typical for the month:
---ATL*LHR--JFK*LHR--IAH**LHR--PUJ**LGW----PHL*( carry out)
Edit to add: I'll emphasise these are probably close to worse case lines in terms of days worked/trips flown, there are many better. You may be able do better than these and Blindlines might have TASS days (potential days off) instead of trip(s), but think of them as possible worse case.
Anther thought on days off - how do you regard a local day free of duty down route? A day wasted or a day off - I know a lot depends on family...and where it is..e.g. caribbean vs..???....
Must go, wearing keyboard out.......
Line 1.
DME------EWRLHR*--YYZLHR*--JFKLHR*--SAN**LHR--PEK* ( carry out)
^
yep, you're not mistaken, that's a Moscow, it's an out and back day trip.
Much more typical for the month:
---ATL*LHR--JFK*LHR--IAH**LHR--PUJ**LGW----PHL*( carry out)
Edit to add: I'll emphasise these are probably close to worse case lines in terms of days worked/trips flown, there are many better. You may be able do better than these and Blindlines might have TASS days (potential days off) instead of trip(s), but think of them as possible worse case.
Anther thought on days off - how do you regard a local day free of duty down route? A day wasted or a day off - I know a lot depends on family...and where it is..e.g. caribbean vs..???....
Must go, wearing keyboard out.......
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Anther thought on days off - how do you regard a local day free of duty down route? A day wasted or a day off - I know a lot depends on family...and where it is..e.g. caribbean vs..???....
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Paypoints
Please could someone give me the current annual pay points (pay increments, if that's the correct name for them) for a new joining 777 FO? Either on here or privately is fine, whichever you prefer. I am starting in April and my wife has been offered a new job, but it needs careful checking on our finances, so a 5 year progression of pay would be brilliant. Many thanks