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Old 11th May 2013, 17:04
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Thomas Cook morale.

Flipping Heck what's happened here? Have things gone a bit south ?
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Old 11th May 2013, 18:02
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Change the title of this thread to ************ morale, substitute the name of the airline you work for !!!!
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Old 11th May 2013, 18:51
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If you are TCX, why is this (pointless) post not in the TCX private forum?

Perhaps you are just a ****-stirrer.
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I didn't think it was too bad actually. Could be worse, but then I'm at an outstation.
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I am happy, what's the problem?
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easyJet morale ....
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"It's Only Me" I'm curious, you have just had your salary cut by 3%, no pay rise since god knows when, increment freeze, block window protection reduced, days off in the winter months reduced, countless redundancies, demotions and forced base moves to name a few, Yet you're still happy........what's your secret? If you could bottle it and sell it, you'd make a fortune.

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Easy Glider.

If you had taken time to think, you have just done what my post tried to avoid. I was trying to kill the thread.
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Hey You,

Why would you want to kill the thread? It's not a happy story I agree, but it does hilight the truth of the situation.
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And since it was all democratically voted for we should have no complaint at all! The turkeys voted Christmas in a bit early this year.
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Sorry EG thats complete .

You would have had a pay rise in the last 12 months. And a far more substantial one only 2 years ago. Redundancies can be counted on your fingers and toes.

We have had a 3% pay reduction but compared to many in the out side world thats nothing.

Me thinks you need a reality check.
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Jonty..... so just confirm, there has been no increment freeze? no demotions? your block window protection has not been reduced? days off not reduced during the winter? Did I just imagine all this??? Oh and that pay reduction is anything from 3% to 30% depending on seat/rank/length of service etc. The generally accepted view across the spectrum is that it will work out to be an
approx. 20% reduction on average.

By the way, another nine ac leases are up for renewal next year. What will you have to give up/sacrifice in order for the company to keep them????? Answers on a post card please.

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oh and bacp..... You are absolutely right. As usual the company laid on the scare tactics thick and fast and guess what......BALPA blinked first as usual. Absolutely no surprise there. What's also not surprising is that as usual, pilots, (who are our own worst enemies,) seem to be completely lacking and need to grow a set!! Caving into company scare mongering and blindly following what a basically defunct union has to say is a one way ticket to poverty.

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Old 12th May 2013, 19:31
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One small point Easy (actuall a major point).... BALPA didn't blink, 62% of your colleagues blinked. I assume that you're in our professional association so you'll be aware of that number. Those who ar not members have elected to remain mute and have no say in matters.
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Burnoulli......What did BALPA recommend the pilots do?????? Enough said!!


P.S They are actually not my colleagues and I am not in that association.

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Burnoulli......What did BALPA recommend the pilots do?????? Enough said!!


P.S They are actually not my colleagues and I am not in that association.
Well the company want to negotiate with Balpa and not some random standalone group. If that really grinds your gears, why don't you join Balpa and stand for being a rep. Balpa makes no decisions on your behalf. Your company council does.

If you're not one of the voters you have no say, and if you are one of the voters but are not willing to stand to mould the council, well that's someone else's fault too.

And if you search my previous posts you can easily see I'm a Balpa supporter. However I don't blame Balpa for issues within my company. I became a rep and worked on those issues (many of which are still unresolved but that is just as much my fault as it is my colleagues) Balpa just provided me with some tools to piss further out the tent.

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Was a BALPA member for 16 years. Got sick of contributing to Slippy Jimmys gold plated pension pot with very little to show for it
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What has BALPA got to do with it? TCX has been ruined my cr*p management. Good luck to those involved.

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Old 13th May 2013, 10:21
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Originally Posted by Easy Glider
Was a BALPA member for 16 years. Got sick of contributing to Slippy Jimmys gold plated pension pot with very little to show for it
Did you ever stand to be a rep?
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EG, the cc recommendation was by majority, not unanimous. It was unclear until after the event how acrimonious that recommendation was. The cc were in a horrible position between an intransigent management and a workforce with too much vested self interest to grow a substantial backbone. The fact that the vote was close can be read as a signal that the pilots have gone as far as they willing to go. Any further nibbling at us will finally be met with resistance. It is appalling that we have given so much away and the next generation of TC pilots should feel aggrieved at what we signed away on their behalf. But, at least there is now likely to be a new generation of TC pilots as the airline continues to exist. Going forward, morale will increase with job security and hopefully expansion, which will allow a steady trickle of those displaced and demoted to be returned to their former positions. Gonna be a long job though.
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