Jet 2 Recruitment!
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Its not so much to do with crew availability or rostering, its the fact that Jet2 have not managed to source the required airframes in time for the summer season. Also the ridiculous EU 261 that has caused some 3 or 4 airframes to be on the ground with crews on SBY ready to rescue any tech or airfield delays has not helped. The damp lease aircraft will be replaced by Jet2s own aircraft in time for summer 2014 plus expansion creating more jobs for those that want it.
Jet2 has be inundated with applications to join, many thousands of applicants, plus with the arrival of its own simulator facilities soon will be training non type rated for next season I am sure.
BTW spoke to an F/O, his average take home is about £3300. Also bare in mind the unlike some LCC (Jet2 is now a leisure airline not low cost) all uniforms, car par passes, medicals, licence renewals, simulator accom, passport renewals, airside passes etc are paid for, plus a company pension scheme etc, all adds up.
Jet2 has be inundated with applications to join, many thousands of applicants, plus with the arrival of its own simulator facilities soon will be training non type rated for next season I am sure.
BTW spoke to an F/O, his average take home is about £3300. Also bare in mind the unlike some LCC (Jet2 is now a leisure airline not low cost) all uniforms, car par passes, medicals, licence renewals, simulator accom, passport renewals, airside passes etc are paid for, plus a company pension scheme etc, all adds up.
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Out of interest, what is the projected (best guess) time to command at Jet2 for a new joiner?
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Do Jet2 pay sector pay as well as duty pay?
You'll get a small amount towards medical
Baron Blue's figures are correct with what to expect re salary in summer / winter.
Out of interest, what is the projected (best guess) time to command at Jet2 for a new joiner?
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Something missing from the PPJN info. is the flexibility of contracts once on 100%.
You can reduce to 80% salary & take from 01 Nov - 31 Mar. (7 months on/5months off). Or...
66% salary to operate 6 days on/8 days off for 12 months of the year.
These 2 schemes are very popular with people who have additional incomes.
You can reduce to 80% salary & take from 01 Nov - 31 Mar. (7 months on/5months off). Or...
66% salary to operate 6 days on/8 days off for 12 months of the year.
These 2 schemes are very popular with people who have additional incomes.
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People harp on about the wages not being very competitive. We've got to face the facts that the golden age of aviation where pilots were paid a ridiculous amount are long past. Even BA is having to change pay scales.
Writing as a pilot who has only been in the aviation game for a few years, taking home £50k before tax as a SFO on 100% works out fine for me. I guess because I'm living within my means and don't know of anything different.
I can understand if you are coming from other airlines or the middle east that it may not be viewed as a very competitive salary, but I'm happy. Combined with my wife's salary we are definitely bringing in more than the average family.
Writing as a pilot who has only been in the aviation game for a few years, taking home £50k before tax as a SFO on 100% works out fine for me. I guess because I'm living within my means and don't know of anything different.
I can understand if you are coming from other airlines or the middle east that it may not be viewed as a very competitive salary, but I'm happy. Combined with my wife's salary we are definitely bringing in more than the average family.
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I have to agree that sadly the good old days are indeed long gone! That said it is not the fault of the guys who have been in the industry a long time but more to do with the cancerous spread of people more than willing to prostitute themselves at any cost coming in at the bottom. Show me any other comparative professional who pays 150 k for his own training and then works for less than 50 % of the comparative salary , I don't know of one! BA aren't adjusting their scales because they have to, more because they can do.
When my family fly I want them to be sitting behind the best trained best paid and highly motivated crew possible. The constant dilution of this industries professional status is only leading one way. Perhaps the situation that is happening at Jet2 now is an indication that pilots are maybe not happy to be rolled over and shafted, rather they would pay the sacrifice of UK life and earn a decent living else where.
When my family fly I want them to be sitting behind the best trained best paid and highly motivated crew possible. The constant dilution of this industries professional status is only leading one way. Perhaps the situation that is happening at Jet2 now is an indication that pilots are maybe not happy to be rolled over and shafted, rather they would pay the sacrifice of UK life and earn a decent living else where.
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Unfortunately nitefiter the best paid aren't always the most highly trained or motivated. The best trained aren't always the best paid and the most motivated are probably the ones not being paid at all.
Who you going to fly with now?!
Who you going to fly with now?!
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I don't think it's nonsense, there's only so much you can do in situ to stop the kind of recruiting practices we've seen. Ultimately the buck has to stop with the very people who accept ****ty contracts & T&Cs just to get ahead of the game. If things are that bad in the industry (which they are) then why even do the training? There isn't a job on this planet that's worth spending £120k + for to go onto a 6 month ****ty flexi contract. It is quite a simple equation really, if people didn't accept the ****ty contracts, they wouldn't exist. Don't blame the airlines, I'd offer the same if I was a CEO etc and then laugh all the way to the bank as I pay in my massive bonus.
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BB, there are pilots at Jet2 who'd beg to differ. I don't think your all encompassing statement is wholly accurate.
I certainly don't feel exploited so can you expand on your unethical policies comment?
I certainly don't feel exploited so can you expand on your unethical policies comment?
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I have no doubt that many are "happy with their lot" at Jet2, been a pilot is after all in this day and age, a compromise! Lifestyle and home-life at regional bases etc etc. But I agree with BaronBlue, after 27 years in UK airlines, please do not come on here spouting Jet2 is a good flight crew employer, it's far from it!
Short-term exploits - the recruitment arrogance and pathetic process all lead to long term damage. I'm not blaming pilots, but it's what this generation of Senior & Flight Ops management are all about!
Many people are promoted to places where ambition greatly outweighs ability on the simple premise that their face fits in the view of those that bestow such promotion favours. Nothing wrong with ambition, but it often clouds thought that might otherwise attach some credence to such ideas as "those you crap on on the way up, are those you meet again on the way down"! Once you get past the point where you'll never get back down as far as where you started, you start appointing the ambitious/incapable to your own court. It's much easier to surround yourself with muppets to take the heat for you, who are themselves, hoping for the return of advancement...
Examples: Jet2 and DHL Air UK's ex RAF clowns & FlyBe's Directors...
Short-term exploits - the recruitment arrogance and pathetic process all lead to long term damage. I'm not blaming pilots, but it's what this generation of Senior & Flight Ops management are all about!
Many people are promoted to places where ambition greatly outweighs ability on the simple premise that their face fits in the view of those that bestow such promotion favours. Nothing wrong with ambition, but it often clouds thought that might otherwise attach some credence to such ideas as "those you crap on on the way up, are those you meet again on the way down"! Once you get past the point where you'll never get back down as far as where you started, you start appointing the ambitious/incapable to your own court. It's much easier to surround yourself with muppets to take the heat for you, who are themselves, hoping for the return of advancement...
Examples: Jet2 and DHL Air UK's ex RAF clowns & FlyBe's Directors...
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Not a nice place to work.They ask a lot, give little in return, and the arrogance of some, particularly ex service is sickening-there being a clique of thoroughly disreputable characters who believe they are still in the RAF.
Stems from management top downwards,-bit of a laugh they require any sort of assessment as there are more than a few psychopathic personalities in places where they shouldn't be talking down line pilots as if they were trash.
Would not recommend unless as a last resort.
Stems from management top downwards,-bit of a laugh they require any sort of assessment as there are more than a few psychopathic personalities in places where they shouldn't be talking down line pilots as if they were trash.
Would not recommend unless as a last resort.
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Just to highlight that yours is only your opinion, not fact, and opinions vary I would like to state that:
- It is a nice place to work,
- They have bent over backwards when I needed a bit of help,
- I would recommend it.
Ta.
- It is a nice place to work,
- They have bent over backwards when I needed a bit of help,
- I would recommend it.
Ta.
Champagne anyone...?
Ha ha ha!
I assume Jet2 didn't recognise mach79 for the truly awesome pilot he is and he's now sulking that they didn't make him Chief Pilot within days of joining the company?
Always someone else's fault is it?
I'd blame the conspiracy of ex-military pilots - after all we are all taught how to overthrow airlines from within when we're in the military. Plus we're all psychopaths.
Being ex-military I love it in Jet2. We get triple salary, our own solid gold plane to fly and get the non ex-military people to do chores for us.
You massive
PS. I enjoy working for Jet2. Being ex-military makes cock all difference.
Everyone is treated on their merits.
Those that have none are treated accordingly.
I assume Jet2 didn't recognise mach79 for the truly awesome pilot he is and he's now sulking that they didn't make him Chief Pilot within days of joining the company?
Always someone else's fault is it?
I'd blame the conspiracy of ex-military pilots - after all we are all taught how to overthrow airlines from within when we're in the military. Plus we're all psychopaths.
Being ex-military I love it in Jet2. We get triple salary, our own solid gold plane to fly and get the non ex-military people to do chores for us.
You massive
PS. I enjoy working for Jet2. Being ex-military makes cock all difference.
Everyone is treated on their merits.
Those that have none are treated accordingly.
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Jet2 used to be a fairly happy place. As did Easy and I'm guessing many other airlines.
The decline in t's and c's has to be due to lots of young hopefuls prepared to accept anything to fly a jet and I'm sure in some cases just wear a pilot uniform.
Too many pilots not enough jobs= crap contracts or no contracts.
I don't see it changing any time soon.
The decline in t's and c's has to be due to lots of young hopefuls prepared to accept anything to fly a jet and I'm sure in some cases just wear a pilot uniform.
Too many pilots not enough jobs= crap contracts or no contracts.
I don't see it changing any time soon.