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Non type rated easyjet recruitment?

Old 16th May 2017, 15:30
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Hands up all those SFO's recruited by eJ as SFO. I know of none.
Yes, as mentioned several posts back I got on a UK base as SFO. So did a number of other people who I did my training with or people they know. This was all through their last recruitment drive which finished a month or two ago. There was nothing special about me - I was NTR FO, but just happened to have the factored hours to go over the 2500h they need for SFOs. If you had less than these 2500 factored hours you entered as an FO or SO, depending on how many you had. If you had the required hours you joined as SFO...simple.
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Old 16th May 2017, 16:14
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Ok. Thanks DarkSoldier. Certainly hasn't been the case and mine and Enzo's experience testify. Both over 5000 hours on type and offered contract or SO. Maybe things are changing ?
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Old 16th May 2017, 17:43
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Maybe they are. At the moment it is more of a pilot's market than it has been in recent years. There is a lot of recruitment going on and a lot of movement between airlines. They have been losing guys to BA so maybe they have decided it is time to attract people who are unlikely to just up and leave if something better comes along. From what I understand I do not believe there were any selective offers - you did a matrix on your hours and depending on whether you hit the thresholds for rankings you were offered a contract based on that.
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Old 16th May 2017, 18:02
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Originally Posted by DarkSoldier View Post
From what I understand I do not believe there were any selective offers - you did a matrix on your hours and depending on whether you hit the thresholds for rankings you were offered a contract based on that.
Maybe now. But certainly not 2015/6 and before. I know what I was offered and if it had been permanent FO or SFO I would be there now. No matrix was applied unless the matrix required over 7000 hours TT and 5000 on Airbus.
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Old 16th May 2017, 18:14
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In many countries joining as SFO under easyJet contract is not possible, even if you have 20k hours on type.
But still, as an FO you would still make a more than decent salary, especially compared to the UK contract.
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Old 17th May 2017, 10:24
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Most people in Ezy doesn't start up where they really want to be. They take the contract, dig their head in and do a good job while signing up to a transfer list, and once their name pops to the top, they move.

Many of us cannot be near our families as there are only bases in a few select countries, but this is the name of the game. Commuting is a option with Ezy and it is relatively easy to do, however it doesn't suit everybody.

If you are only satisfied with a job on your doorstep with excellent conditions, and where your past hard work is valued and acknowledged, then Easyjet is not a place you will enjoy. Here we are just numbers used to reach the bonus targets for those on the top, and they do not care a rats a*se how you are (they claim otherwise but this is the truth).

However, the tools are here to make it good for yourself, but it does require some flexibility and hard work.
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Old 17th May 2017, 18:34
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UK base for experienced FO's are with regards to payscale, regardless of hours you have, even you have 10.000 hours and join as FO, you will be on the following payscale:

SO - 12 months
FO - 24 months
SFO

However if you have the factored hours of an SFO you will be able to call yourself a SFO and wear a uniform with 3 stripes, but you will be paid as the above mentioned scale.

There are bases outside the UK, where you will be able to join directly as an FO or SFO, however UK is not one of them.

But if you have the hours you can call yourself an SFO, have 3 stripes, but you will be paid as SO and FO for the first 36 months. No exception, this has been discussed up and down with BALPA in the past.

This is just the way it is, and if you get passed those first few years, then I would say easyJet is a great company to work for.

And they will give you your chance of upgrade pretty fast, no reason to be upset for this, if you have chosen to go to BA or other companies where you upgrade might take longer. However I know guys who joined BA, and after 18 months got their command upgrade as late as last year.
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Old 17th May 2017, 18:56
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This is completely incorrect. I was offered SFO at LGW on the full pay scale including a fixed roster pattern only a few months ago.
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Old 17th May 2017, 20:41
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I am tempted to say you are talking Monkeys!

So you are working in the company now with this contract?
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Old 17th May 2017, 21:11
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Sorry BusAirDriver but I agree your last statement is incorrect. I also went in straight on SFO pay from day 1 on a fixed roster in a UK base. As did all other UK SFOs who have recently joined. So things have obviously changed...
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Old 18th May 2017, 05:11
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Enzo999 - there appears to be some aspects of easyJet you do not understand. The first is that we are literally inundated with thousands of applicants for a relatively small number of jobs. We can afford to pick and choose our FOs in particular. The second is that the cadets who come through the flight schools have historically done very well in easyJet. The reason for that is they go through a very careful selection process and are a known product. What they lack in experience is normally made up for in raw ability and a great willingness to learn. Our type-rated pilots who come from other airlines can be very good, but that is not always the case. It is particularly tricky if someone comes with their own ideas of how they want to do things - they quickly find that easyJet is a big follower of SOPs and unashamedly expects its pilots to embrace them. So to say that easyJet does not value experience is not correct - what they want is someone who wants to embrace our culture and values and be part of a team. It would also be true to say that easyJet does not see 6000+ Airbus hours on someone's CV and feel overwhelmed - we are equally interested in the attributes of the individual. It is a bit like a marriage - love gets you to the altar but to stay happily married you have to be dedicated and willing to compromise. Finally, if you feel you are 'better' than the contract that easyJet is offering you, that is fine, but do not expect to turn up here again a year or so later demanding a job because it may not happen. No one has a divine right to employment and it is a very competitive business.

Having worked here for many years, I am only too aware that easyJet is not a perfect employer. It is, however, overall a great place to be and most people enjoy it. We are probably not as good to work for as a national carrier, but we are a better gig than most of the loco's. We have been badly let down in the past by some appalling pilot recruitment blunders - people being offered jobs and then have those offers rescinded etc. I have personally felt deeply embarrassed at such events, and they do not reflect who we are and what working for easyJet is like. Once you are out of the clutches of the pilot recruitment world, life here is actually pretty good and the promises made to you are almost invariably kept. If you come here with a reasonable attitude, there is no reason why you should not have many happy years with us. EasyJet is not for everyone, but if you can put up with our little eccentricities then it can be great fun.
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Old 18th May 2017, 07:23
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According to The Scotsman, EasyJet are looking for more pilots for EDI and GLA.

http://www.scotsman.com/news/transport/easyjet-launches-biggest-pilot-recruitment-drive-yet-1-4446903

As an easyJet outsider my understanding is that generally you can't get straight into these bases and the best you can hope for in the UK is LGW with a long wait on the transfer list. Could anyone shed any light in this? Personally I'm interested in DEC although I'm sure people in both seats will be reading this.

I presume that the news story actually means that whilst the Scottish bases may be getting bigger, they will be filled with transfers rather than new recruits.
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Old 18th May 2017, 08:08
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No DEC into EDI or GLA... the waiting lists are too long but there are always FO positions each year in both
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Old 18th May 2017, 08:29
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Originally Posted by BusAirDriver View Post
I am tempted to say you are talking Monkeys!

So you are working in the company now with this contract?
I elected to stay in the hold pool and wait for my base of choice to become available but most of my interview buddies are just finishing line training on said contract. In this instance, you are incorrect.
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Old 18th May 2017, 10:08
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I can only echo what my esteemed colleague the Count has said .
Ezy is not perfect but if you want a well paid ,stable ,pilot job in Scotland you won't beat it I don't think .

No DEC in Scotland AFAIK but there is always lots of movement for the RHS positions .

No shortage of applicants either by all accounts .
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Old 18th May 2017, 10:09
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Originally Posted by monkey.tennis View Post
I elected to stay in the hold pool and wait for my base of choice to become available but most of my interview buddies are just finishing line training on said contract. In this instance, you are incorrect.
Isn't that a dumb move? Your mates have got their start getting experience and valuable Co-pilot time and as such making progress towards a command plus I guess they will get preference on any base vacancy over a new start, meanwhile you swim around in the hold pool going nowhere and face the possibility your base of choice won't become available.

I've seen it all before, a newbie electing to wait and then missing out, sometimes altogether when the music stops and recruitment grinds to a halt, which can happen for many reasons. SARS, GFC, etc.
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Old 18th May 2017, 10:29
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Originally Posted by Count of Monte Bisto View Post
Enzo999 - there appears to be some aspects of easyJet you do not understand. The first is that we are literally inundated with thousands of applicants for a relatively small number of jobs. We can afford to pick and choose our FOs in particular. The second is that the cadets who come through the flight schools have historically done very well in easyJet. The reason for that is they go through a very careful selection process and are a known product. What they lack in experience is normally made up for in raw ability and a great willingness to learn. Our type-rated pilots who come from other airlines can be very good, but that is not always the case. It is particularly tricky if someone comes with their own ideas of how they want to do things - they quickly find that easyJet is a big follower of SOPs and unashamedly expects its pilots to embrace them. So to say that easyJet does not value experience is not correct - what they want is someone who wants to embrace our culture and values and be part of a team. It would also be true to say that easyJet does not see 6000+ Airbus hours on someone's CV and feel overwhelmed - we are equally interested in the attributes of the individual. It is a bit like a marriage - love gets you to the altar but to stay happily married you have to be dedicated and willing to compromise. Finally, if you feel you are 'better' than the contract that easyJet is offering you, that is fine, but do not expect to turn up here again a year or so later demanding a job because it may not happen. No one has a divine right to employment and it is a very competitive business.

Having worked here for many years, I am only too aware that easyJet is not a perfect employer. It is, however, overall a great place to be and most people enjoy it. We are probably not as good to work for as a national carrier, but we are a better gig than most of the loco's. We have been badly let down in the past by some appalling pilot recruitment blunders - people being offered jobs and then have those offers rescinded etc. I have personally felt deeply embarrassed at such events, and they do not reflect who we are and what working for easyJet is like. Once you are out of the clutches of the pilot recruitment world, life here is actually pretty good and the promises made to you are almost invariably kept. If you come here with a reasonable attitude, there is no reason why you should not have many happy years with us. EasyJet is not for everyone, but if you can put up with our little eccentricities then it can be great fun.
With the greatest amount of respect I don't think there are many aspects of Easy I don't understand. My original point was they obviously don't value experience amoughst their FOs and nothing that has been said on here has made me change my views on that. You can give the party line all day long about cadets being full of "raw talent", follow SOPs perfectly and doing exactly as they are told Blah Blah Blah, but personally I think they are preferred because of the 9 million in revenue they will bring this year and the years of reduced pay untill they either leave to BA or make command (then the whole process starts again).

Anyway luckily for me BA did see some value in me (despit my lack of ability and talent compaired to a Cadet) so I have a good job, but there are lots who don't that will yet again miss out on an opportunity at Easy.

Anyway this could go around in circles for ever, and for the record I am not saying EasyJet are a bad place to work or a bad company, simply that they value profit more than the experience levels of FOs and maybe they are correct to (but to admit that opens up a huge can of worms for us all)!
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Old 19th May 2017, 02:27
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EasyJet the epitome of corporate greed amongst airlines.
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Old 19th May 2017, 10:54
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I think people need a reality check here, the big Orange has always generated revenue off its prey, the events of the last 24 months or so have been the exception to the rule. The organisation would happily eat its young if it improved the stock holder value, the place is merely RYR without the mill owner Irish rules.
When GO was in existence.....that was another story entirely, that was a proper Low-cost airline.
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Old 19th May 2017, 12:36
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Originally Posted by The Mixmaster View Post
EasyJet the epitome of corporate greed amongst airlines.
If I may be so bold that is a pointless comment as, almost by definition, all companies are greedy. For sure, once they are stock-market listed it's in their DNA. It has to be or the company will not survive.
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