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Old 14th Mar 2013, 15:25
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BALPA save BA money!

Come on SEPLA reps, stop being awkward with Iberia and follow the lead of your colleagues in BALPA! In a fine example of the spirit of collaborative working, BA and BALPA have agreed to sacrifice all the ongoing holiday pay that BALPA spent millions of pounds of members money on legal fees to win, and replace it with a single, communist-inspired wealth redistribution program which will remove up to 1000 per year from the income of those pilots who work to their contracted 900 hours per year, and instead use it to fund those who don't feel like working so hard, including managers and BA BALPA reps.

In addition, this conveniently removes the remote risk BA faced in being pursued by individual pilot employees for operating a payment scheme in breach of EU law, to the cost of BALPA members.

Our colleagues in SEPLA should wise up and see how it is done. Don't waste your time letting members vote on it, simply sign up to the deal and tell your members they agreed to it when they voted on an entirely different matter several months ago! Should any Spanish union counterparts need further advice they can currently find Il Duce and the rest of his BA Captains Council holed up in the BALPA HQ bunker in London desperately avoiding any questions from a hostile membership. For more information send an email to BALPA and make the subject: JPT (Judkins' Poll Tax).
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 17:31
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To clarify your headline, how much money is this saving BA?
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 17:36
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Ooo, trainers NCP, ongoing holiday commitment, potentially discriminatory pro-rating of PTW pilots, legal risk of future challenges. I reckon that's worth quite a bit over the next 20 years. Jolly nice of Il Duce and the clowns to arbitrarily redistribute the earnings of their members too, BA must be laughing into their lattes at those mugs doing their dirty work for them. It looks like there'll be a few less members too.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 18:11
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CP, kinda disgusted that you can talk about people like that. People that do work incredibly hard for us.
Put your own name forward if you think that you can do so much better.

Why don't you post it like this on the BALPA forum and let's have a name to the crap that you waffle.

Fair enough not agreeing with something, it's a democracy. No need to lower yourself to vile insults.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 18:31
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If that's what hard work brings then it's clear the team at the top need a long holiday. Preferably a permanent one. And where was the democratic vote on this particular daylight robbery? Slipped into the bmi vote deal? What a joke!
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 18:42
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Tosh to the whole thing!
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 18:54
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BALPA are an effective tool in helping to make airline managers look intelligent

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 20:28
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Fair enough not agreeing with something, it's a democracy.
I hope you're right, and I hope Charlie Pop takes the opportunity to post his/her thoughts on the BALPA forum - assuming he/she is a member of course.

IMHO possibly the only silver lining I can find in this apparent debacle is that elsewhere we've got a sometimes heated but civilised, vaguely rational debate going on, and above all it's one that is most definitely not being controlled or censored by senior association reps.
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 21:17
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WTF
Is going on?
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 21:48
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WTF
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Well, long story short, it started with a long newsletter went out last night to BA BALPA members which started by saying:

As part of the agreement to secure the integration of bmi into BA, which BA members approved by ballot in January 2012, it was agreed that a
mechanism would be introduced to remove any future liability resulting
from a settlement to the BALPA Holiday Pay Claim.
Without going into too much detail about the subsequent text it appears that the "mechanism" being proposed by the Company Council Reps would have seen many individuals (but not all) taking a significant pay cut - which generated a just a tiny bit of traffic on the BA BALPA Forum. Charlie Pop's choice of words is a bit extreme but he certainly gives you an fairly accurate idea of the thoughts being expressed by some "in that place"....it's the closest I've seen that site come to melt down in a long long time...........

Fortunately (IMHO of course) we heard a few minutes ago that it seems those involved in negotiations have appreciated the membership's concerns, have taken a step back and decided to reconsider the proposed mechanism.

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 22:19
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Yes ain't that queer! After an outpouring of criticism the BACC have managed to get BA management to reconsider their position. Which is interesting, as a managerial source has suggested that BA were not happy with this solution in the first place and it was, in actuality, being pushed by the BACC. Now given the historical positions of BA wishing to preserve some form of incentive pay, and the BACC wishing to remove it, it does seem a curious volte-face for both parties. Has anyone ever seen the BACC override the 'firm legal advice' apparently given to both parties that only a fixed FPA would be legally robust? That would be a first. Something doesn't add up.

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 22:23
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Something doesn't add up.
I know what you mean, it is all a bit odd.

The whole episode (which has lasted barely 24 hours) has all been a bit strange to say the least.....the only saving grace is that it seems the BACC actually listened to the members concerns, though it does seem the volume had to be cranked up to 11 to get a result .....

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Old 14th Mar 2013, 23:18
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Best we get down to New Road with some branches. I think someone might need to cover their tracks!
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 23:47
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Why would you go to New Road?
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Old 14th Mar 2013, 23:58
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Talking

Make that Bath Road then. Or just follow the truck carrying lots of cans of whitewash.

"Nothing to see here, move along now."

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Old 15th Mar 2013, 10:38
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Seems BALPA are having a bad week. Another mis-step from them joining with UNITE to try to stop non-union members from receiving holiday pay. It's either a right or it's not, if it's not a right then hand back the money you won, don't try to keep it from others.

The concept should be familiar to the unions, things like equal pay for women - just because the union led the fight, should only union members get equal pay.

This is petty and beyond contempt.
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 11:06
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I understand the feelings here, I am affected by this as well. Can I suggest that we keep this to our own BALPA forum... Dirty washing, public, etc.....
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 11:07
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Juan. Just submit a small claims court application for the holiday pay amount quoting the 1984 employment act regarding "unequal treatment". You can't reward or punish employees doing the same job or guilty of the same misdemeanour unequally. You don't have to prove the validity of the holiday pay claim just that you have been treated differently from another employee. The court will be even more sympathetic because you are being victimised for not joining a union - all that closed shop stuff.
I'm going to do it once the pay is awarded, can't do anything before that.
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Old 15th Mar 2013, 11:22
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It's all alright though, because post-Ewing, BALPA are all open and honest and transparent and cuddly. Couldn't possibly be any dodgy backroom deals being done.

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Old 15th Mar 2013, 11:51
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Just for my own curiosity. How exactly are BALPA trying to stop non members getting the holiday pay (or whatever the final settlement ends up being?)

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